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May 22, 2021 10:37:26   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Architect1776 wrote:
I love it on my 7D.
That is why the 10-18 for wide.


The EFS 10-18 is a wonderful lens. No disagreement there.

For 24-105, the choice is really the ver II for the L version or the much cheaper and equally sharp non L 24-105 version, a version that does include a zoom lock. But for either lens, you're losing the usefulness of a general purpose zoom lens on the wide end. When I review my images from my 24-105, I have lots of images at specifically 24mm. In fact, my LR statistics show a higher frame count at 24mm than any other individual focal length. Our OP, or any crop-body owner, would be paying a premium for either of these full-frame lenses that don't provide the same FF capabilities on their body type.

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May 22, 2021 10:55:36   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The EFS 10-18 is a wonderful lens. No disagreement there.

For 24-105, the choice is really the ver II for the L version or the much cheaper and equally sharp non L 24-105 version, a version that does include a zoom lock. But for either lens, you're losing the usefulness of a general purpose zoom lens on the wide end. When I review my images from my 24-105, I have lots of images at specifically 24mm. In fact, my LR statistics show a higher frame count at 24mm than any other individual focal length. Our OP, or any crop-body owner, would be paying a premium for either of these full-frame lenses that don't provide the same FF capabilities on their body type.
The EFS 10-18 is a wonderful lens. No disagreement... (show quote)


To each his own, I have not felt limited.
I also believe the 24-105 STM is now discontinued as shown on the B&H site.

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May 22, 2021 10:59:47   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Architect1776 wrote:
To each his own, I have not felt limited.
I also believe the 24-105 STM is now discontinued as shown on the B&H site.


The "EF 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM" is in-stock at the Canon store and plenty of online sources.

Our OP didn't give a 'reason / intended use' for a zoom nor prime, so arguing about what is best is a worthless exercise. Kind of like arguing about the meaning of refurbish ...

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May 22, 2021 11:15:31   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The "EF 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM" is in-stock at the Canon store and plenty of online sources.

Our OP didn't give a 'reason / intended use' for a zoom nor prime, so arguing about what is best is a worthless exercise. Kind of like arguing about the meaning of refurbish ...


Perhaps it is back, it was listed as "Discontinued"

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May 22, 2021 11:26:26   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Perhaps it is back, it was listed as "Discontinued"


Here's a current list of discontinued, the 24-105 versions aren't listed (yet).

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/canon-set-to-discontinue-24-ef-lenses

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May 22, 2021 11:37:15   #
LEWHITE7747 Loc: 33773
 
I would look at the Sigma Art Lens. It is sharper than the Canon. I have one on my 5DSR.

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May 23, 2021 07:24:26   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
jrcarpe wrote:
I have 2 questions that I need advice on, Thanks for your response.
1. Has anyone purchased a refurbished product from B&H? If so was it good or bad?
2. What would be your favorite lens (Zoom or Prime) for the Canon 70D?

Thanks.


1. great
2. Canon 100-400 II

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May 23, 2021 08:20:19   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The "EF 24-105mm f/3.5-5.6 IS STM" is in-stock at the Canon store and plenty of online sources.

Our OP didn't give a 'reason / intended use' for a zoom nor prime, so arguing about what is best is a worthless exercise. Kind of like arguing about the meaning of refurbish ...


Here is an copy of an actual refurbish of a camera.

Attached file:
(Download)

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May 23, 2021 08:25:10   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
leftj wrote:
Here is an copy of an actual refurbish of a camera.


You have about 50 minutes to remove your name, address and phone number attachment from this publicly facing internet site, especially when it only shows you can't read and understand the difference between the English words "repair" written all over this invoice and "refurbish" that appears nowhere in the attachment. Why this determination to show you're wrong?

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May 23, 2021 08:52:45   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
You have about 50 minutes to remove your name, address and phone number attachment from this publicly facing internet site, especially when it only shows you can't read and understand the difference between the English words "repair" written all over this invoice and "refurbish" that appears nowhere in the attachment. Why this determination to show you're wrong?


I didn't say the order stated that it was a refurbishment. I said this is what I call an actual refurbishment. I think what they did would be considered a refurbishment by any reasonable person.

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May 23, 2021 09:05:39   #
Capn_Dave
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Don't oversubscribe the meaning of 'refurbish'. It means nothing like 'fix'. They just assure all the original stuff is there and functional. They're not doing anything of added value to then sell the equipment at a discount. Canon doesn't either, although Canon can at least place the camera into new 'Canon original' packaging.

Selecting a lens depends on your purpose. Wildlife needs something at least 400mm long, so saying the EFS 18-135 IS USM is a great general purpose lens means nothing to your wildlife needs. The EF 50 f/1.8 is lens everyone should have, but on the 70D it will be more like a short 80mm telephoto.
Don't oversubscribe the meaning of 'refurbish'. It... (show quote)


Most of the time you are spot on however this is from the Canon website :Products are returned to Canon for a variety of reasons, including overstock balancing, miscellaneous returns from retailers, suspected mis-operation, and minor damage to the box. The products that are serviced have undergone rigorous function and cosmetic inspections by trained Canon technicians and fully meet new product operational specifications and selected cosmetic standards established by Canon U.S.A. Inc. These refurbished products must pass a comprehensive quality assurance inspection before final packaging and shipment to customers.



Our refurbished products carry a one year limited warranty.

Note: products that are serviced. meaning: to be repaired. I have bot a lot of refurbished from various manufacturers. Never once have I had to return any item. In fact the way I see it, they have at least double the quality control of the new in box item. They are a good deal all in all

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May 23, 2021 09:13:58   #
KarenKaptures Loc: New Jersey
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
If the camera is used enough to need replacement of 'worn' parts, the camera will be sold as used, not 'refurbished' by replacing surprisingly expensive replacement parts and selling the results at a deeper loss ...

Where would B&H get a camera to 'refurbish'? The same way Canon does, via near immediate returned stock from customers. I don't mean 30-days returns. More like the "I took it out of the box and decided it wasn't right for me" customer returns. That equipment is brand new in every way except being unsold. Canon can put it back into Canon brand-new packaging and sell as refurbished. Third-parties can just double-check that everything is there.

Imagine operating your own for-profit business and performing a value-added function to something you want to sell. How much do you pay your tech per hour? How much do the replacement parts cost? If that tech touches the camera and spends enough time to then perform a replacement part, how could you sell that camera less than the cost of new given the money you've now invested into that camera?

There's no profit in holding onto unsold or returned stock. There's even less profit in adding value to a product you cannot sell at a profit reflecting that value-added. These companies are not buying used equipment and 'refurbishing'; they're just reselling returns as efficiently as possible while incurring the minimum of new costs.
If the camera is used enough to need replacement o... (show quote)

Thanks for the explanation. Makes sense.

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May 23, 2021 09:30:59   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
........ Canon doesn't either, although Canon can at least place the camera into new 'Canon original' packaging.


Does Canon actually provide “original packaging” for any of their refurb store items? Most of my purchases from Canon direct are from their refurb store. All the packaging has been white box with a molded insert or plain brown with cardboard partitions. Have I been singled out? 😳🤔🥴🙃

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May 23, 2021 09:39:30   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Capn_Dave wrote:
Most of the time you are spot on however this is from the Canon website :Products are returned to Canon for a variety of reasons, including overstock balancing, miscellaneous returns from retailers, suspected mis-operation, and minor damage to the box. The products that are serviced have undergone rigorous function and cosmetic inspections by trained Canon technicians and fully meet new product operational specifications and selected cosmetic standards established by Canon U.S.A. Inc. These refurbished products must pass a comprehensive quality assurance inspection before final packaging and shipment to customers.



Our refurbished products carry a one year limited warranty.

Note: products that are serviced. meaning: to be repaired. I have bot a lot of refurbished from various manufacturers. Never once have I had to return any item. In fact the way I see it, they have at least double the quality control of the new in box item. They are a good deal all in all
Most of the time you are spot on however this is f... (show quote)


Sorry, you're making up your own meaning for 'serviced'. Sorry too to have to 'decode' corporate-speak for your understanding, but

rigorous function can mean literally nothing more that turning it one and taking an image. You might imagine some form of bench testing, but think about it: why waste valuable time and money on actions you cannot charge to the customer? There's no business sense in doing anything more. If the next customer discovers a problem, they'll send it back under warranty. Let that customer do the 'testing'.

cosmetic inspections is another aspect of the 'work' that was included in an 'and' sentence, probably the bulk and emphasis of the actions taken for refurbished equipment.

trained Canon technicians is accomplished by giving any new-hire a checklist to follow.

I believe in Canon, but they and no one else is going to waste money (and time / personnel that are money) adding value to returned equipment -- equipment that is virtually new and possibly completely unused -- to then resell even cheaper than new. That's not how you run a profitable business, even the relatively minor refurb department. But as usual, everyone in the marketing department deserves another raise given how successfully they've packaged the marketing terms to the public.

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May 23, 2021 09:41:47   #
marycar53 Loc: Tuscumbia Al
 
I've purchased a couple of used lens rated 8+ or more from B&H and have been very pleased.

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