From your own article. "Payroll tax, the 12 percent tax taken out of salaried workers’ paychecks, split between employer and employee, primarily funds Social Security, accounting for 88 percent of the payouts in 2017. Undocumented workers typically use a fake SSN or someone else’s SSN when applying for salaried jobs. Only a handful of U.S. states require employers to check an employee’s eligibility and their SSN through E-Verify, a Department of Homeland Security database. Other states have varying levels of E-Verify requirements, from partial to none."

That means that not only did they enter the country illegally, they also used identity fraud.

And from your second article "The best estimates come from research by the Institute of Taxation and Economic Policy, a left-leaning Washington, DC, think tank, which suggests that about half of undocumented workers in the United States file income tax returns."

So, according to your own data no more than half of undocumented workers are filing federal taxes and the ones paying social security are engaging in fraud. That means that half of illegals are a drain on society. And, that's from your data, which comes from an admittedly left leaning group.

Basically you have proven my point. Millions of illegals are not paying federal taxes and are using government services.

Yes, elections have consequences, especially when idiotic ideologues win. Just because they can, doesn't mean they should.

No legislation should be enacted to curry favor with the electorate, it should be enacted to keep our country solvent. The Democratic agenda is aimed at simultaneously increasing the electorate and buying their votes. The influx of illegal aliens will not stop until the US is an undesirable spot to invade. That must be how the Democrats plan on controlling immigration.

From your own article. "Payroll tax, the 12 percent tax taken out of salaried workers’ paychecks, split between employer and employee, primarily funds Social Security, accounting for 88 percent of the payouts in 2017. Undocumented workers typically use a fake SSN or someone else’s SSN when applying for salaried jobs. Only a handful of U.S. states require employers to check an employee’s eligibility and their SSN through E-Verify, a Department of Homeland Security database. Other states have varying levels of E-Verify requirements, from partial to none."

That means that not only did they enter the country illegally, they also used identity fraud.

And from your second article "The best estimates come from research by the Institute of Taxation and Economic Policy, a left-leaning Washington, DC, think tank, which suggests that about half of undocumented workers in the United States file income tax returns."

So, according to your own data no more than half of undocumented workers are filing federal taxes and the ones paying social security are engaging in fraud. That means that half of illegals are a drain on society. And, that's from your data, which comes from an admittedly left leaning group.

Basically you have proven my point. Millions of illegals are not paying federal taxes and are using government services.

The Left, now in complete control of all the levers of power and does not have to "negotiate" with the conservatives, wants to give direct government money in the form of stimulus checks, health care, education (we already do that for primary and secondary, now at a minimum free community college) to the undocumented (read illegal aliens here, not PC but still the correct word) here now and there are plans to alter the border enforcement rules that had become more effective.

The people from other country's south (and from other places through the south) of us are already gathering and starting to move north.

Why would they not? Get in, and we won't deport you but give you lots of great free stuff.

The numbers will continue to grow with that kind of an incentive, soon there will be no controls and demands by the left to support the new poor constituents that they have created, then citizenship no doubt.

How is this fair to those that are here now and competing for the same benefits and jobs at the lower end of the spectrum?

How is it suppose to work???

There may be a couple of issues that you ignore.

When those illegals commit fraud by using a fake SS number, they are still paying into the SS system thru deductions from their paycheck....and they never get to draw the benefit. So it is free $ that SS never has to pay back to any retiree. Thats a heck of a tax rate...one pays into the benefit system but never gets to draw the benefit!

Likewise income taxes. The illegal has taxes withdrawn under what you call a fraudulent SS number...and the illegal never gets to file a return and get what would likely be almost a full refund of the taxes withdrawn. So compared to the legal the illegals are actually carrying a much higher tax burden.

Except of course for the illegals who live in the cash under the table world.

Think about what you just said about SS. Illegals often use fake number or stolen numbers .
Using those number they have ss withholding taken out and the employer continues to pay the employers share.
But
Because there are either fake numbers or stolen numbers this illegals that pay NEVER collect any benifits.
Same goes for income tax and same goes for Medicaid. Only in and never out!!


So yes those pay “ IN “ are committing fraud - but they never collect - not OUT

Think

They pay in if they are working in a place that doesn't pay them under the table. Of course, if the place really takes out deductions they are also supposed to check the social security number and make sure it is a real number that matches the person producing it.

If they do that no illegal will be paying taxes. So, either both the employer and illegal are breaking the law and taxes are being taken out, or they are both breaking the law and working under the table and no taxes are being taken out.

I think you would be shocked at how many are working under the table for cash and are not paying into either social security or federal taxes.

Shoot, as far as income tax goes, all they have to do is declare enough deductions and nothing is taken out anyway. Since their social security number doesn't exist, or belongs to someone else the IRS is never going to come down on them. So, maybe you are right, some of them may pay in, but there is no reason to believe that they are paying their fair share of income tax, and there is no reason to believe that a lot of those 11 million plus are working under the table and not paying a dime in.

Lower income people pay no taxes according to the tax experts on here. As I understand, due to the Earned Income Tax Credit, really low income people actually get more back than they paid in.

Most illegals are likely fairly low income people. A legal person in their income bracket would get back most of the withholdings, if not more, on their refund.

Illegals using fake SS's don't get their refunds. They pay a disproportionate share of their taxes, yet you say they pay no taxes.

You are smart enough to grasp this concept, you knew this concept before I pointed it out to you.

Why do you continue this specious point?

I do agree that a severe crackdown and enforcement of current laws regarding hiring illegals...maybe even doubling or tripling the fines would eliminate a lot of problems.

If employers did not hire illegals, they would not come here! They do not come for the mythical free stuff alt-righties gripe about....they come for jobs, for honest work.