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Regardless of your personal desires concerning candidates, I have to suggest that the greatest win in any American election now is clear proof that the election was conducted fairly, more precisely that the election was NOT conducted UNfairly. When elections are questioned in some way, and potentially challenged in formal ways, it seems to me that a failure to investigate is potentially far more dangerous that the investigation, even if the investigation found massive amounts of fraud. At least massive fraud being detected and alleviated would restore a veneer of fairness.

It would seem that investigating allegations and finding them either unsubstantiated or of an inconsequential scope verifies integrity rather than undermining it. It seems ignoring valid concerns projects an air of secrecy and of potential illegitimacy. Just as certain locales refusing access to poll watchers CAN'T be seen as transparent, refusing to verify the voracity of policy, process, and results seems the WORST plan, as it galvanizes opposition and conspiracy theory, and worse, should said allegations have happened to have ANY merit, failure to vet claims actually emboldens those who might have actually violated the integrity of the election.

I seem to recall that one vein of the body politic still suggest Al Gore, after two 2000 recounts verified a Bush win in Florida, was 'cheated' out of the election. (Those recounts and subsequent court battles took a ful month, by the way.) Imagine the magnitude and the duration of the damage if 2020's far more substantial claims of misconduct and violation of law go un-investigated. Polling suggest that even Democrats see the 2000 election as fair, when they know that two recounts, both verifying Bush, were done.

Love or hate either candidate, but please hope for the most complete and transparent evaluation of voting that literally everyone worried was more-vulnerable-than-usual to fraud because of the mail-in vote. Any less invites discord, upheaval, and even violence. No one should be wanting that. Not even if they want to 'transform' the nation.

Biden will likely retain his lead and become President, but why saddle him with similar baggage to that that saddled Trump if it can be avoided? The 'worst' is not finding fraud, not in a Trump second term, but in losing the integrity of the vote, the process.

btbg

That ship has already sailed. Most of the voting rule changes made to accommodate covid were unconstitutional because they were done by secretaries of state and judges. That led to massive nbers of mail in ballots that should not have been allowed. Four states that do not have universal vote by mail sent ballots to every registered voter. That is illegal so trust in the integrity of the election is gone
Biden will win but the results will never be legitimate. A co
Bimed 73,000 votes in Georgia Wisconsin and Pennsylvania have decided the election and Trump won overwhelmingly in those states when it came to in person balloting. I tl wish we had integrity in the election but unless Biden win is overturned we will not have had a fair election and if it is overturned the left will not accept it so either way its too late. Supreme Court should have heard all the cases about rule changes and overturned them. The fact that they did not do that has already destroyed our election process.

tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio

I'm hearing more examples of fraud. Where are you hearing "clear proof of the integrity"? The Democrats?

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

IMHO

While the legal discussion about who can change a election rule may be technically correct : (1) it was done either best of intentions to allow more Americans to safely vote during a pandemic and 2) those of you whining about that point now don’t really give a hoot about the constitutional aspect but rather are applauded it only as away way to suppress votes opposed your candidate.

Second because of the president incessant whinning pre election about non existent mail in fraud, this election was the most honest well rule accurate election in our countries history. His constant diatribes promoted election officials to be extra cautious and diligent in their duties.

Time to stop the cry baby attitude.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

That is your opinion, that along with $3 will buy you a cup of coffee these days, laws are laws and must be followed in a constitutional republic, I know that the constitution does not carry much weight in a modern day America, but there are those of us that are still clinging to it.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

The only case to have any merit is that one and even if ruled by scotus those vote don’t count( and they are not in the totals that I am aware of ). They are not enough to change the outcome.

If that if the ruling will you concede trump lost ?

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

There are questions that must be answered in Detroit, Milwaukee, Philly, Vegas, and Atlanta, it is a must that the processes that occurred in these cities be looked at with the same vigor as Russia collusion was investigated in the previous election. I really don't expect for Trump to retain the presidency because short of a redo in those states where malfeasance may be found there would be no way to correct any potential wrong doing, I do however think it imperative that a full investigation occur.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

If there is any factual evidence beyond rumor and internet conspiracies bring, the clock is counting .
States certify their results don’t.
Pa on 11-23, Ga 11-20 and Az on 12-23

Spark Loc: ColdNorth

Three issues with above claims:
1. Pre-empting the Court on what has or has no merit.
2. An assumption that "those votes don't count".
3. Another assumption that the change of votes won't count.

This is why an investigation is needed because the result (recount and/or audit) will establish not just who fairly won but most importantly to confirm that our electoral process' integrity was in fact intact or was indeed compromised.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Where was the solid proof in the Russia collusion conspiracy, I am not worried about certifications, nor am I worried about that bumbling idiot Biden becoming president, I am worried about fairness and not discounting 1/2 the country as if they are subclass citizens and don't matter. How is it that when allegations are made by democrats that mountains are moved, yet when even more valid concerns are raised by republicans, well the establishment, who runs this country make no mistake, simply looks the other way while stating nothing to see here.

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Fine do it.

The Russian investigation took place after the fact and did not hinder the transition.

Is that ok ?

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

That would depend highly on if or not the republicans can show that there was enough cheating that may have occurred to effect the outcome of the electoral college. Gore had 37 days, what is the rush?

DennyT Loc: Central Missouri woods

Agree but in 2000 the election outcome hinges on Florida. The was indeed a chance.
This year there is no chance . He just filed suit in Michigan although he is behind 148,000.


Let’s get real . There is not one shred of cheating. That is trump conspiracy and nothing else.


Cohen thinks trump will go to mar- a-lagonfir Christmas and not come back.

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

It is really a bit early to make the statement that there is no anything, let the investigations begin. I for one need to know that our election system is not rife with corruption, error, or mistake. Without an investigation Biden will not get support from half of the nation. That goes for future elected politicians as well.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

Like this one?
https://twitter.com/JohnFetterman/status/1326311204923576321