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May 8, 2020 12:48:37   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
Don't fret, mjc, you are in good company.

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May 8, 2020 13:09:50   #
mjc925 Loc: SF Bay Area
 
Wow, you truly are a fascinating person. I will enjoy following your posts, thanks.

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May 8, 2020 16:19:14   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
HOHIMER wrote:
Sad case. It seems the OP is incapable of distinguishing the difference between art and porn.


That’s “ Timmers”alright! To a “T”!!

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May 8, 2020 16:26:40   #
Bill P
 
Those of us that have any experience in the arts are easily confounded by people who think their opinion of a work of art is the only valid one, or that anyone else cares what their opinion is.

And too many here throw the term porn around with abandon. That is a judgement that has been a moving target for all time. We should all recognise that this is 020, not 1920.

Timmers is an artist. Get used to it.

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May 8, 2020 17:00:42   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
Bill P wrote:
Those of us that have any experience in the arts are easily confounded by people who think their opinion of a work of art is the only valid one, or that anyone else cares what their opinion is.

And too many here throw the term porn around with abandon. That is a judgement that has been a moving target for all time. We should all recognise that this is 020, not 1920.

Timmers is an artist. Get used to it.


LOL. LOL. GET USED TO IT!!.......RJMwhat ART is that, anyway?

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May 8, 2020 17:24:58   #
papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach
 
Bill P wrote:
Those of us that have any experience in the arts are easily confounded by people who think their opinion of a work of art is the only valid one, or that anyone else cares what their opinion is.

And too many here throw the term porn around with abandon. That is a judgement that has been a moving target for all time. We should all recognise that this is 020, not 1920.

Timmers is an artist. Get used to it.


We are all entitled to our opinions. When you post a picture on this site you open yourself up to those opinions. Some opinions you will like and appreciate and others, not so much. If all you are looking for is praise on how good your work is, then this is not the place. As I said, we are all entitled to our opinions. You think Timmers is some kind of genius artist. I think he is a hack looking for "atta-boys". We each have our opinions.

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May 8, 2020 17:28:39   #
JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.
 
papakatz45 wrote:
... You think Timmers is some kind of genius artist. I think he is a hack looking for "atta-boys". We each have our opinions.

Timmers has said he is does not look for opinions, good or bad. He is an artist and his purpose is to educate all of us in the Fine Arts.

I have been taking his classes regularly; in fact, I don't think I have missed a single one of the 186 so far. Unfortunately, it looks like I am failing the course because I still don't see the "art" in what he presents.

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May 8, 2020 17:37:10   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
Timmers wrote:
There is a rumor that darling Missy will return to Texas from Main. Sounds great to me!


Some like what you do, others , not so much. It matters not to me. I am though amazed that no one suggests that you are a photo artist, but many suggest you are a pervert or voyeur at best. How does management justify your ? Photographic?skills, when most of your proponents say such stuff as “ nice titsetc” where is this relevant to the art of photography? Timmers you just dream as you will. I’m amazed at your illogic to justify what it is you do. RJM

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May 8, 2020 17:40:32   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
papakatz45 wrote:
We are all entitled to our opinions. When you post a picture on this site you open yourself up to those opinions. Some opinions you will like and appreciate and others, not so much. If all you are looking for is praise on how good your work is, then this is not the place. As I said, we are all entitled to our opinions. You think Timmers is some kind of genius artist. I think he is a hack looking for "atta-boys". We each have our opinions.


Thanks RJM

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May 8, 2020 17:57:57   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
bbrowner wrote:
Let’s forget the subject. This is a photography site. And the quality of this man’s photographs is poor.

He claims to be a superior photographer... but the elements that make a fine photograph is clearly absent.

What is clearly present is much BS!


You sir are absolutely right on .This section needs sensible administration and should not allow the ?art? Of those like Timmers. He does not compliment women and he is not an ARTIST, just a man who knows better than anyone else....not!!........RJM

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May 8, 2020 18:03:26   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
Timmers wrote:
Ok, you have posed a core statement with regards to an important aspect to art, the development of 'personal growth in an artist work'. Or, to quote your clear statement, "Ok, what do I need to change in my technique to get better reviews of my work."

These is where the conflict exists, that is 'to change in my technique to get better reviews'. This is a position that I suppose contributors of the Hog have in mind when they post work. For myself this is a completely untenable position. I have no intention of altering my position based on the meandering opinions of the personal observations of the general public. It is been proven a poor strategy for modern artist to follow.

Where does an artist receive an informed review of the work some will ask? From other artists and experienced observations from an informed group of viewers. Most of what one receives here is poorly informed rhetoric that is no value. So, to get valued responses one must seek out the wheat from the chaff; and that is what I am looking to garnish.

Changing a technique will have no impact of concepts or ideas that are the primary elements of the work, in point of fact; the technique follows the idea or concept, not the reverse. All to many of the posts on here try to wrap the effort in technique rather than serve an idea. It is why I find myself opening work on the Hog only to quickly close the post, be it an insect, sunset, bird in flight or pretty nude female, all done with excellent lighting, perfect exposure or fabulous location.

When you are confronted with a perfect cliché image, no matter what that image is, one should understand that it is already accomplished, it's been done to death. So you either alter the idea or stop wasting time doing just another record image of what came before.

As a final note, I collect thousands of cliché images of nude women, it is either because there exists some location or twist in the detail that catches my imagination. I often find myself drawn to cartoon renderings that capture my imagination. To illustrate this is a cartoon for the comic charter Louis half in and out of a window. The work of a rogue illustrator that is obviously not the original comic creator. I have been ranging around on Deviant Art for a number of weeks and though I have found other drawings and illustrations of a similar type I have found no photographic work of the sort. What ten is the 'idea' rather the concept that pervades this illustrated idea? Marcel Duchamp asserted a great truth about the two primary senses, hearing and seeing, that was "You can see seeing, you can't hear hearing".

These things can be hidden, but they are vary real in our life experiences. Why do we clink glasses togeather when we drink together (toast or no toast). There are five senses, we see the drink, we taste the drink, we smell the drink, we fell the drink on many different levels, but we do not hear the drink, so we strike the glasses to create the sound of the drink, thus all five senses are involved.

In the cartoon we create a barrier between the two primary senses, that of seeing and hearing. Windows work to seal out sound, they do not seal out sight. This is at base the use of Duchamp's 'You can see seeing, you can't hear hearing'. There are many applications for Duchamp's assertions that were made by him in the span of his working life as an artist. One, the installation of a spigot on the hip of a mannequin, instated in a bookseller's display window, as example. The faucet had water coming out, collected and recycled in a loop of water dispensing. This is a complex idea holding many possible mind processes.

This cartoon illustration has many possibilities. A few are there already and yet many needed to be pushed further to give possible value that as yet is not resolved. This is the real nature of creativity. What is done with the concept(s) will determine the final solutions for this though concepts.
Ok, you have posed a core statement with regards t... (show quote)

You sir are simply full of - -IT and that is that..

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May 8, 2020 18:11:25   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
Bill P wrote:
People don't come here for personal growth. If you are doing that, part of your personal growth would be to not visit places like this, and likely anything on the internet. Photos are shown to share their artistic vision to all. Although I don't always like Timmers work, I respect what he does. As some one who holds a fine arts degree (in music) and has collected art for over 35 years, I get it. Occasionally I might suggest ways Timmers could improve his work as I see it, but I would never call him a pornographer.

Our society suffers from our puritan ancestors. For some unknown reason, they have returned in force.
People don't come here for personal growth. If you... (show quote)


We are all just saying, if you read between the lines, this forum doesn’t benefit anyone to have this as one of its sections. At least the way the Timmers see it should be. Very insulting to women & no real appreciation for the ART OF NUDE PHOTOGRAPHY. Have many of you ever met someone as cocky but incompetent ? What a self aggrandizing maroon!! Just my opinion? I think not.....RJM

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May 8, 2020 18:18:42   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
truckster wrote:
Exactly! Seems this is the most critical of all the Hog's sections.


Why do you suppose that is? Could it be that so much of this section invites negative criticism? I think so!...RJM

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May 8, 2020 18:22:46   #
digit-up Loc: Flushing, Michigan
 
JohnFrim wrote:
Wow! Welcome to the site! Baptism by fire so to speak. I hope you stick around for awhile to give things a chance. Overall this is a great forum, IMHO.


It’s a great forum... this section, NOT SO MUCH!! Sorry about that...RJM

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May 8, 2020 18:25:13   #
Timmers Loc: San Antonio Texas.
 
digit-up wrote:
That’s “ Timmers”alright! To a “T”!!


Everyone in the troll camp listen vary carefully to Mr. Digit-up he has it one hundred percent on the button! That is why he is the king of the Timmers Troll Camp! That said, back to sleep dear daisy brains!

If there was anything that could help it would be to keep all the 'humble opinions' to yourself and just speak to the work. But that won't happen because that is what most of you old ladies are good at, that and besides being asleep at the switch.

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