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Feb 10, 2020 12:58:14   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
boberic wrote:
Not quite/ Bush bailed out the banks. The TARP was signed before Obama was elected. And he was wrong. He should have let them file Chapter 11. The real problem was Fanny and fredie which lead to sub prime mortages. Obama signed the 'Stimulus program" which was a scam so as to create a slush fund for the unions. So the "depression" would have not happened. Even though Obama dramatically raised the debt, he crippled the military and reduced the military to pre-WW2 levels, forbwhich were were unprepared. We won WW2 because of our outproducing our enemies. We do not have the producing capabilities that we had in the 1940's. Trump's debt increase is largely due to the rebuilding the military.
Not quite/ Bush bailed out the banks. The TARP w... (show quote)



I will always disagree not bailing out the banks as a general action (although the method in which they did it was questionable).

Both Obama and McCain blessed the action before it was taken (an extremely civil and gracious action by GWB but one he took because he knew one of them would be stuck with any consequences).

Here’s a tidbit for all.... IF the action hadn’t happened on that fateful weekend, we all would have woken up Monday and NOT A SINGLE ONE OF US would have been able to use a credit card or write a check! At that time the issue was not the economy, it was the entire U.S. banking and credit system, and the entire system would have shut down because EVERY SINGLE BANK would have refused any credit to any other bank (which is in the simplest form what a check and credit cards are).

For those who followed the entire worldwide shitstorm that was actually started by the earlier default of Iceland..... if the U.S. financial system had collapsed the entire world would have spun into an almost instant worldwide depression that would have made the 1929 depression look like a walk in the park.

Yes, folks.....it actually was TARP that prevented a worldwide meltdown and depression.

Let’s not get started on the unfair way it was implemented, though!

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Feb 10, 2020 13:03:35   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
RixPix wrote:
The budget is what leads to debt. If taxes were raised on the wealthiest the debt could be lowered to a manageable level.



You’re a delusional liar.

Clinton ADDED a minimum of $1.396 trillion, a 32% increase from the $4.4 trillion debt at the end of George H.W. Bush's last budget, to the U.S. debt.

You’re also a delusional liar if you’re seriously trying to perpetuate the lie that Clinton ever decreased the U.S. debt for any year!

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Feb 10, 2020 13:04:32   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
boberic wrote:
Tax what? Their income? How much? Most of that wealth is in investments not income. So what do ,youdo? Confiscate their wealth. If you took 100% of their income it wouldn't even makea small dent in the deficit


Don’t confuse rixy with numbers he can’t count on his fingers! It just frustrates him.

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Feb 10, 2020 13:05:58   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Are you telling us the rich did not get richer by far under Obama? If so I am calling you a liar.

Dennis


I think he is!

Apparently large numbers confuse him so he’s not aware that the middle class shrunk under Obama and the black middle class literally disappeared under Obama!

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Feb 10, 2020 13:54:29   #
Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa
 
ken_stern wrote:
Obama raised the debt to prevent a world wide depression - Which he did - The economy he passed on to Trump was in full recovery. Trump's reason was to lower taxes for the very rich & Corporations


I think your reasoning is flawed and designed to fit your political democrat views.

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Feb 10, 2020 14:16:18   #
yhtomit Loc: Port Land. Oregon
 
EllieLady wrote:
Watch "Velshi: The Trillion Little Pieces That'll Be Left Behind To Future Generations | MSNBC" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/NoD8Kcze0tk

Most folks can't even conceive of a dollar amount with that many zeros.


C’mon, your a democrat. Spending lots of other people’s money is the standard you’ve
always lived for. Why is it bad now?

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Feb 10, 2020 15:20:57   #
ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca
 
Cykdelic wrote:
Fantasy and leftist wishes, but certainly not truth. Explain to us how the failed Obama stimulus bill (a giveaway to unions and progressive cities) or his GM bailout prevented a worldwide depression?

In fact, explain economically how ANY of his spending prevented a worldwide depression.

Before you try, and embarrass your family, please review the U.S. budget for those years first.


A simple answer to your Oh so very simple question is: We didn't have a World Wide Depression !!!

All I know about economics is Three Words: John Maynard Keynes -- Read-up on him & he will tell you why Governments need to spend their way out of depressions

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Feb 10, 2020 15:40:40   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
yhtomit wrote:
C’mon, your a democrat. Spending lots of other people’s money is the standard you’ve
always lived for. Why is it bad now?


It is not the spending that the demonics object to, clearly in their view the feds don't do enough and should double or triple their spending, the fact that people get paychecks at all instead of all the money going to the gubbermint is what they object to.

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Feb 10, 2020 15:43:09   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
ken_stern wrote:
A simple answer to your Oh so very simple question is: We didn't have a World Wide Depression !!!

All I know about economics is Three Words: John Maynard Keynes -- Read-up on him & he will tell you why Governments need to spend their way out of depressions


John Maynard Keynes was the favorite of the democrats and progressives, does not mean he was right, Hayek presented a differing point of view that struck down much of Keynes' theory, Milton Freedman was not a fan either, both well respected economists in their own right. Keynes had a theory so did other great minds who disagreed.

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Feb 10, 2020 16:26:10   #
Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan
 
F___ the debt. As a conservative I say go with the flow, spend away. Being fiscally conservative now when the Dems are offering everything free to everybody is not good electability-wise. The important thing is for Trump to get reelected. Beat the Dems at their own game. Use all the Saul Alinsky rules too.

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Feb 10, 2020 18:50:08   #
btbg
 
ken_stern wrote:
A simple answer to your Oh so very simple question is: We didn't have a World Wide Depression !!!

All I know about economics is Three Words: John Maynard Keynes -- Read-up on him & he will tell you why Governments need to spend their way out of depressions


John Maynard Keynes is or was an idiot. You can't spend your way out of a depression. The Weimar Republic tried that and failed, Argentina tried that and failed. and current economic analysis shows that the Great Depression was only great because of runaway spending. Without all the government programs it would have just been another recession.

As far as tarp goes, I can't say for sure what it did or did not prevent. What I can say for sure is that it was wrong to reward people who had acted criminally with bailouts and it was wrong to reward the unions by essentially taking part of GM away and giving it to the unions.

The whole thing stunk, even if portions of it might have been necessary. It still stunk to high heavens.

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Feb 10, 2020 22:43:24   #
ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca
 
btbg wrote:
John Maynard Keynes is or was an idiot. You can't spend your way out of a depression. The Weimar Republic tried that and failed, Argentina tried that and failed. and current economic analysis shows that the Great Depression was only great because of runaway spending. Without all the government programs it would have just been another recession.

As far as tarp goes, I can't say for sure what it did or did not prevent. What I can say for sure is that it was wrong to reward people who had acted criminally with bailouts and it was wrong to reward the unions by essentially taking part of GM away and giving it to the unions.

The whole thing stunk, even if portions of it might have been necessary. It still stunk to high heavens.
John Maynard Keynes is or was an idiot. You can't ... (show quote)


THANKS for clearing up all my lifelong misconceptions ------- LOL !!!

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