Old Cameras... I need new ideas in teaching...
Nov 25, 2019 12:53:14 #
Pixeldawg wrote:
Hi all, br br I am one of THOSE people... I like ... (show quote)
A great idea. I taught basic photography at a high school (14-18 year olds) for one year when our Photography teacher became an administrator and it was my hobby. I got materials from Kodak, the local camera store, the major museums in Los Angeles and other sources. I tried to stay one lesson ahead of the students and told them I was doing it. Some things it became a "them and myself" learning together. So I could teach the subject with my History teaching credential the school changed the class name to "History and Practice of Photography". That was a great year at school.(1974-1975)
One of the things I did was teach about "Photo Essays" to tell a story and told them of great photographers/journalists who used essays or series of photographs to bring attention to problems in the world and bring about change. Not just things in society but also things like influencing the founding of National Parks to preserve the things in nature they photographed. China is huge and has a varied population so essays done right could teach people in one area about groups/minorities in other places they don't know about. The same applies to the land itself with people of one area seeing and learning about places very different from their own homes.
Nov 25, 2019 12:57:45 #
Tomfl101 wrote:
I may have misinterpreted a documentary I once saw where it explains how the more famous photograph we are all familiar with was actually a second flag raising staged later that day because the first flag was deemed too small and couldn’t be seen off shore.
That is exactly what it was, a replacement of a small flag with a larger one, not a staged photo op. And the fighting was still going on not too far away.
Nov 25, 2019 12:59:08 #
Haveing been a instructor of photography at the University of Alaska for many years. I use vintage cameras to demonstrate depth of focus. Most 35 and 2 1/4 lenses had foot/M scales on them. Modern lenses don't have them. I also would show lens coatings. Very few old lenses had lens coatings. Other things is the shutters. Many old cameras had leaf shutters and how the image differs from focal plane shutters. Especially movement (compression and extension) with focal plane shutters. The advantage vs dis-advantage of leaf shutter, mostly with flash. Also, almost all lenses were Prime Lenses. Very few zooms were out there because they were of so poor quality. My boss bought a new Nikon zoom for me to take cataloge photos in 1975. I used it once and went back to my Zeiss Primes for my Exackta because the primes were so much better. PS, I would love to be teaching in China,sounds like fun.
Nov 25, 2019 13:05:00 #
billnikon wrote:
Really, baby factories where children are sold at ... (show quote)
Some people need a "minder".
The man asked for help with a class - IN CHINA - if he tries anything like the suggestion of "human rights" he could end up in one of those camps.
HE IS IN CHINA - the things he can do or not do are not what you or I are free to do here in the US.
That post about "human rights" is the equivalent of American tourists doing things in other countries and then screaming about being Americans with rights when arrested or similar. It is another country, another culture and a completely different set of laws and rights.
I just wish I had beat you to your response to the other poster.
If anyone saw this post before I edited it - well all I can say is I am on my first cup of coffee and I cut and pasted parts of two draft ideas and an answer for a post on the site "Quora" and had to go back and correct it - after I had deleted the drafts I cut and pasted from.
I FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT!!!
Nov 25, 2019 13:17:11 #
ORpilot wrote:
I use vintage cameras to demonstrate depth of focus. Most 35 and 2 1/4 lenses had foot/M scales on them. Modern lenses don't have them. .
Some primes have a depth of field* scale.
Some don’t even have a distance scale.
See the photos below.
Kind of sad, but some probably people wouldn’t use that info.
And it’s hard to put a depth of field scale on a modern zoom lens.
This is an interesting thread, other than the inappropriate off-topic politics.
(*depth of focus is a term used describe the plane of focus at the film/sensor)
Nov 25, 2019 13:34:18 #
This thread is going to end up in the ATTIC.
The man asked for help about teaching photography in CHINA and people have gotten off on their pet causes and then fighting about it.
Let's stick to photography, cameras etc and try to help the man.
On reflection I even went a bit far with my "photo essay" suggestions - not the idea of essays but some of the things I mentioned as subjects. The idea of essays to bring about change could get someone in trouble in some parts of the world. Essays to educate about nature, the land, different peoples and regions or ways of life are probably safe subjects just about anywhere.
The man asked for help about teaching photography in CHINA and people have gotten off on their pet causes and then fighting about it.
Let's stick to photography, cameras etc and try to help the man.
On reflection I even went a bit far with my "photo essay" suggestions - not the idea of essays but some of the things I mentioned as subjects. The idea of essays to bring about change could get someone in trouble in some parts of the world. Essays to educate about nature, the land, different peoples and regions or ways of life are probably safe subjects just about anywhere.
Nov 25, 2019 13:44:40 #
Guys... go PM to talk political and your opinions. This guy just asked for teaching help.
Nov 25, 2019 13:45:49 #
billnikon wrote:
Really, baby factories where children are sold at ... (show quote)
Take it to the Attic! ---
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Nov 25, 2019 14:08:24 #
GoofyNewfie wrote:
Some primes have a depth of field* scale.
Some don’t even have a distance scale.
See the photos below.
Kind of sad, but some probably people wouldn’t use that info.
And it’s hard to put a depth of field scale on a modern zoom lens.
This is an interesting thread, other than the inappropriate off-topic politics.
(*depth of focus is a term used describe the plane of focus at the film/sensor)
Some don’t even have a distance scale.
See the photos below.
Kind of sad, but some probably people wouldn’t use that info.
And it’s hard to put a depth of field scale on a modern zoom lens.
This is an interesting thread, other than the inappropriate off-topic politics.
(*depth of focus is a term used describe the plane of focus at the film/sensor)
Back in the old days even zoom lenses had depth of field scale.
Nov 25, 2019 14:09:22 #
BebuLamar wrote:
Back in the old days even zoom lenses had depth of field scale.
Yup, I do miss them.
Nov 25, 2019 14:18:32 #
BebuLamar wrote:
Back in the old days even zoom lenses had depth of field scale.
Yes, they managed to mark them.
I’ve had a few.
Now days that scale is a window that leaves no room for depth of field indication.
I date from the old days when most zooms were pretty crappy.
Now it’s pretty much all I use.
Nov 25, 2019 14:42:06 #
A bit off topic, but then this thread has wandered far from the OP.
My wife just bought this camera at an antique store to use as a still life object. Apparently it was sold from 1946 to 1952.
It sports two apertures (supposedly f/11 and f/16, controlled by the metal tab at the top), and you can set the shutter to snap open and closed (around 1/30 sec.), or stay open in "B" mode as long as you want. Not clear how you'd keep the image sharp, since there's no tripod mount. I guess you'd have to set the camera on a solid surface and be careful.
Here's a link to some info on the camera. https://flynngraphics.ca/brownie-target-six-20/
Made me feel rather old -- I was born in 1952!
My wife just bought this camera at an antique store to use as a still life object. Apparently it was sold from 1946 to 1952.
It sports two apertures (supposedly f/11 and f/16, controlled by the metal tab at the top), and you can set the shutter to snap open and closed (around 1/30 sec.), or stay open in "B" mode as long as you want. Not clear how you'd keep the image sharp, since there's no tripod mount. I guess you'd have to set the camera on a solid surface and be careful.
Here's a link to some info on the camera. https://flynngraphics.ca/brownie-target-six-20/
Made me feel rather old -- I was born in 1952!
Nov 25, 2019 14:53:08 #
Harry0
Loc: Gardena, Cal
Have you tried the history of the history?
I "See" that you're in China- so I won't mention that.
ANYway, here we mention "trunks" to carry stuff.
We had wagons, stagecoaches, railroads, and ships to carry us and our belongings.
We'd put our stuff in boxes, sometimes hurriedly and cheaply made, sometimes with log-ends for ends.
Euphemistically, we called them "trunks". Time passes- and our cars now have trunks built in.
The British call them "boots". Supposedly, someone kept their valuables in an old boot for safe keeping.
Times passes- and now they have "boot" sales. People park in parks, open their boots, instant shops.
Our"Stationwagon" came from the conveyance to transport you and your trunks to the train station.
"What's he talking about?" they say.
Well the "f-stop" was a real stop. Trying to standardize things there'd be a point and a dent to "stop" you. A lot of folk forget about the pi. A 3" hole has over twice the area of a 2" hole. A real stop was handy.
Your "f" number came from the distance from the camera pinhole to the media. A 50mm lens gave you the scene that it saw. A 100mm lens would show you that scene, twice the size and a quarter of the light.
ISO came from film cameras' film chemicals. A 200 ISO film only needed half the light of a 100 film to change and make the same negative. 50 film needed twice as much.
All this was needed to standardize settings and films in order to sell easily useable cameras.
Like my Kodak 1911, or 1913. Some one waay in the boonies could buy that camera, look at the shadows, guesstimate the distance, make a few "click" adjustments- and easily get a usable picture out of it.
Without using a stopwatch and a hat to "shut" the light off.
M'kay? Then have them make a pinhole camera, do a little math, and make some pictures.
I "See" that you're in China- so I won't mention that.
ANYway, here we mention "trunks" to carry stuff.
We had wagons, stagecoaches, railroads, and ships to carry us and our belongings.
We'd put our stuff in boxes, sometimes hurriedly and cheaply made, sometimes with log-ends for ends.
Euphemistically, we called them "trunks". Time passes- and our cars now have trunks built in.
The British call them "boots". Supposedly, someone kept their valuables in an old boot for safe keeping.
Times passes- and now they have "boot" sales. People park in parks, open their boots, instant shops.
Our"Stationwagon" came from the conveyance to transport you and your trunks to the train station.
"What's he talking about?" they say.
Well the "f-stop" was a real stop. Trying to standardize things there'd be a point and a dent to "stop" you. A lot of folk forget about the pi. A 3" hole has over twice the area of a 2" hole. A real stop was handy.
Your "f" number came from the distance from the camera pinhole to the media. A 50mm lens gave you the scene that it saw. A 100mm lens would show you that scene, twice the size and a quarter of the light.
ISO came from film cameras' film chemicals. A 200 ISO film only needed half the light of a 100 film to change and make the same negative. 50 film needed twice as much.
All this was needed to standardize settings and films in order to sell easily useable cameras.
Like my Kodak 1911, or 1913. Some one waay in the boonies could buy that camera, look at the shadows, guesstimate the distance, make a few "click" adjustments- and easily get a usable picture out of it.
Without using a stopwatch and a hat to "shut" the light off.
M'kay? Then have them make a pinhole camera, do a little math, and make some pictures.
Nov 25, 2019 15:16:00 #
Nov 25, 2019 16:08:52 #
I guess some people are brain dead or can't read. So for the second time OP is asking for help in teaching how to use a camera to students. If you can help reply, if not don't reply.
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