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Sep 6, 2019 11:05:23   #
maxiu9
 
Sounds solid to me.

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Sep 6, 2019 11:22:21   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
peyton88 wrote:
Can anybody give me some afvice. My grandaughters 16th birthday is coming up and she wants a camera. What is a good camera to start off with? We were looking at a Canon DSLR Rebel.


First, welcome to the forum. The following is all that you will need. Or, should I say, all that SHE will need.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1433065-REG/nikon_1588_d3500_dslr_camera_with.html?sts=pi-ps&pim=Y

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Sep 6, 2019 11:53:42   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Silverrails wrote:
I myself, after extensive research 2.5 years ago, chose a Used Nikon D3300. This camera has produced superb images.
I would suggest as a first lens, a 50mm 1.8, that lens gets excellent reviews.
Consider Used or Refurbished Camera and lens, save money, make sure the sincere interest in Photography is present before you spend the big Bucks.


When shopping for yourself that's just fine, but I wouldn't want to buy a used birthday gift for a 16 year old.

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Sep 6, 2019 12:00:28   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
When shopping for yourself that's just fine, but I wouldn't want to buy a used birthday gift for a 16 year old.


I've had the same thought, maybe the replacement / upgrade, but you'd never 'win' with used for the first one for any 16 yr old I know ...

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Sep 6, 2019 12:02:30   #
sueyeisert Loc: New Jersey
 
bleirer wrote:
You'll want to discuss it more with her. Does she want something that will fit in her jeans pocket that can be in the car glove box to be grabbed at any moment, taken to the party and the beach and the game and the class trip etc, or does she want a interchangeable lens giant that has to carried around the neck? We can recommend either way, but a compact camera that is going to be used is better than an better quality paperweight.


I think you should take her to a camera store and give her a budget. She needs to hold the camera and see how it feels.
Test the controls. I picked Fuji in part for those reasons. She should look at mirrorless too.

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Sep 6, 2019 12:25:37   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
peyton88 wrote:
Can anybody give me some afvice. My grandaughters 16th birthday is coming up and she wants a camera. What is a good camera to start off with? We were looking at a Canon DSLR Rebel.


Save you and your granddaughter size, weight, and cost in the long run. Look at purchasing the Olympus E-M10 mk2 or mk3 with the EZ 14-42 lens. If she would move upward with photography in the future, she will thank you for the savings in size, weight, and cost.

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Sep 6, 2019 13:03:08   #
PHRubin Loc: Nashville TN USA
 
bleirer wrote:
You'll want to discuss it more with her. Does she want something that will fit in her jeans pocket that can be in the car glove box to be grabbed at any moment, taken to the party and the beach and the game and the class trip etc, or does she want a interchangeable lens giant that has to carried around the neck? We can recommend either way, but a compact camera that is going to be used is better than an better quality paperweight.


I think it mandatory that you know if she wants a pocketable or not.

As far as the Canon Rebel, there are several models to chose from. I would avoid the T7 as it uses older technology and is somewhat stripped, but I like the T7i. Older but still good is the T6i. While I started with an 18-55 kit lens, I quickly decided I needed more at the tele end. Also, I like to avoid having to change lenses. I would go for the 18-135 USM or Sigma 18-300, or even Tamron 18-400 if they are within your budget (and she is OK with a much bigger than pocketable camera).

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Sep 6, 2019 13:40:26   #
RainbowHI
 
peyton88 wrote:
Can anybody give me some afvice. My grandaughters 16th birthday is coming up and she wants a camera. What is a good camera to start off with? We were looking at a Canon DSLR Rebel.


I had the same issue last Christmas for my teen aged daughter who has just taken a photography class at her school. I went to the local camera store and they initially recommended the Rebel but they changed their recommendation to the Canon M50 because of the newer technology as well as the mirrorless format. They felt that the camera would meet her needs longer, as she improved her camera skills. As another poster mentioned, you probably should take your granddaughter to the camera store. Ultimately, the camera she uses the most will be the one with which she feels most comfortable, regardless of how the participants of UHH feel about it.

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Sep 6, 2019 13:45:20   #
cahale Loc: San Angelo, TX
 
Does she want a camera to take photographs, or one to take selfies? How serious do you think her interest in photography is? I the answers are "selfies" and "little," then find something at Walmart. If otherwise, one of the low end Sony, Canon, or Nikon bodies with kit lens.

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Sep 6, 2019 14:11:57   #
dick ranez
 
To quote that famous philosopher Yogi Berra, this is "Deja vu all over again." I gave my granddaughter a nikon bridge camera for her sixteenth birthday. After about three weeks she asked "Gramps, would you be mad if I traded this camera for a "real" one like you have". We went to the camera store and came home with a Canon Rebel t3i with the kit lens. Several weeks later, she "borrowed" one of my telephoto lens which promptly disappeared into her new camera bag. The next year she joined the high school yearbook staff and, again "borrowed" my 5Dii for a special project. When she wanted to "borrow" my 70-200 to get better photos of the football games (night games with mediocre lighting) I told her OK but this one I needed back. My new 70-200 iii is much lighter and probably has better image quality but I think I'm already down the slippery slope.

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Sep 6, 2019 14:52:42   #
amfoto1 Loc: San Jose, Calif. USA
 
A Canon Rebel series camera would be a nice start.

I don't recommend the cheapest ones, though. The Rebel T7 and the kit lenses sold with it aren't all that great. The camera is "old tech" in many ways and lacks a lot of features that can be found on slightly more expensive models. For example, the T7 doesn't have a self-cleaning sensor... All the other Canon models do. I used DSLRs back in the day when they didn't have self-cleaning sensors and had to do frequent, manual cleanings. Now using models that are self-cleaning, I only have to do cleanings far less frequently... about 1/12 or even less often. Where I had to do cleanings approx. monthly with the old cameras, now I rarely need to do so more than once a year. Probably even less. I will NEVER buy another digital without a self-cleaning sensor.

The lenses sold "in kit" with the Rebel T7 are also not all that great. It will come with at least the EF-S 18-55mm IS "II" lens. That lens is okay optically, able to make nice photos, but it uses slower/noisier and more erratic "micro motor" focus drive. Usually the other camera models instead come with the better EF-S 18-55mm IS "STM" lens, that has faster, quieter and more consistent "stepper motor" auto focus drive.

The T7 is also often sold in two lens kits. In addition to the 18-55mm, a telephoto zoom is included. This is typically the Canon EF 75-300mm "III" lens.That's one of Canon's cheapest and worst. (Not to be confused with any of the EF 70-300mm lenses, all of which are better!) The EF 75-300mm III also uses slower/noisier micro motor focus drive. In addition, it doesn't have Image Stabilization (IS), which is more valuable on a telephoto lens like this than it is on an 18-55mm (which has it). Perhaps most importantly, the EF 75-300mm III has pretty poor image quality... especially toward the 300mm end of the zoom range.

The EF-S 55-250mm IS STM lens typically offered with many of the slightly more upscale model cameras is a MUCH better lens in virtually every way. It uses a faster/quieter stepper motor to focus. It has IS. And it has much better image quality.

I would recommend at least looking at the Canon Rebel SL2 or SL3. Those are more full-featured cameras, including self-cleaning sensors and a lot more, plus they usually come in kit with a better EF-S 18-55mm IS STM. Unfortunately, most recent SL2 kits I've noticed are including the 75-300 III, which is a shame. I would not buy that two lens kit. I'd buy the EF-S 55-250mm separately instead. The SL3 is being kitted with the better 18-55mm and 55-250mm, so there's no concern there.

The original SL1 was the smallest, lightest DSLR anyone had ever made... but it too lacked a lot of features. It has nearly identical specs to the T6, the predecessor of the T7. When Canon "upgraded" the T6 to the T7, just about the only thing they did was put a new sensor in the camera. Those two are nearly the same other than an increase from 18MP to 24MP in the T7. It was a different story with the SL2, which got a lot of improvements over the SL1. The SL3 has even more (mostly video related).

The next step up from the SL2/SL3 are the Rebel T7i and the EOS 77D. First, note the "i" in T7i. Despite the similarity to T7 (no "i"), the T7i is a MUCH more full featured camera. And don't be fooled because the "Rebel" name doesn't appear on the 77D. It's still a Rebel. It has near identical specs to the T7i, just different control design and an additional display. Plus, the 77D superseded a Rebel model... the T6s. These are more expensive models, the primary difference being a more advanced autofocus system.

The T7 with two lenses is widely available for about $550 (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1485123-REG/canon_2727c021_kit_eos_rebel_t7_dslr.html)

SL2 with 18-55mm STM lens is also $550.
SL3 with both 18-55mm STM and 55-250mm STM is $800.
T7i with those same two lenses is $950.
77D with those same two lenses is $1000.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/compare/Canon_Rebel_SL3_vs_Canon_Rebel_SL2_vs_Canon_77D_vs_Canon_Rebel_T7i/BHitems/1475084-REG_1346763-REG_1329223-REG_1329244-REG

But there's a very good deal on an even better Canon camera right now.... Canon USA website sells refurbished cameras. They are little different from new. In fact, they have the same factory warranty as new. Canon has just announced a new model, the 90D is coming soon. As a result, they are "blowing out" 80D at heavily discounted prices. They are offering the 80D in kit with EF-S 18-55mm STM and EF-S 55-250mm STM lenses for $700! That's about half the usual price for this camera with those lenses. The camera is also a significant step up from all the Rebel series. It has a higher specification shutter, more advanced AF system (similar to, but more features than T7i/77D), uses a larger battery to give more shots per charge, has better sealing for dust and weather resistance and a lot more. Sure, it's $150 more than the mediocre (I'm being nice) T7 and it's not-so-great lenses... but it's a whole lot more camera and much better lenses, for less money than some of the other options.

A 16-year-old might appreciate a mirrorless interchangeable lens camera instead of a DSLR. FYI, the Canon M50 with EF-M 15-45mm STM and EF-M 55-200mm STM lenses is selling refurbished at the Canon USA website for $630. Brand new with the same lenses it's on sale too, for $879 (reg. $1149). The M50 has recently been the best selling mirrorless camera in Japan.
https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/en/catalog/refurbished-eos-m50-ef-m-15-45mm-f-35-63-55-200mm-f-35-63-is-stm-bundle-black

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Sep 6, 2019 15:08:08   #
Dossile
 
If you are an enthusiast, buying a camera for your granddaughter that shares your system is a great idea. Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Sony, Panasonic and Olympus all have great entrance cameras with interchangeable lenses. I enjoy my photographic hobby with a couple of my kids. My interested sons got my old cameras and lenses. It is nice to have the same system to share and borrow. My son put my 200-500 on a Nikon D300S in Tanzania last year while I used my 70-200 E2.8 with an extender. We both got great shots that are hanging up together in my office.

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Sep 6, 2019 15:11:27   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
For adults, aged 18 and higher.

You have always provided good sound advice in the past. The earliest a person learns the basics of photography the better. I don't believe that someone celebrating their

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Sep 6, 2019 15:45:05   #
bleirer
 
Scruples wrote:
You have always provided good sound advice in the past. The earliest a person learns the basics of photography the better. I don't believe that someone celebrating their


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Sep 6, 2019 16:01:57   #
hookedupin2005 Loc: Northwestern New Mexico
 
Longshadow wrote:
I limited myself to Canon...
Let me guess, you own a Nikon.
What about Sony???


Or Fuji, or pentax, Etc.

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