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DOJ: 43% of ALL Offenders Were Non-Citizens Last Year
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May 18, 2019 20:02:44   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
amyinsparta wrote:
Every person here, other than the Native Americans, are immigrants or descendants of one. Maybe if we made it a little easier to become citizens and maybe if we helped them learn the language, and maybe I'd we helped them get a job, then things would be better. And the three top academic students at Putnam County High School here are immigrants from India. There are 472 graduates.
In White County where I live, there is a sizable # of Hispanics and Blacks. The local newspaper publishes the arrests for the week. And guess what? Out of around 10-15 arrests for the week, around two on average are non white.

My mother always told me that if you are not part of the solution, you part of the problem. We bare a responsibility help our brethren. If we dont do that, we have no business calling ourselves Christians. And our brother and sister is anyone-white, brown, black, red, blue, that needs our help, no matter their religion or language, or nationality.
Every person here, other than the Native Americans... (show quote)

Your mother was right. But there are limits to charity. We can't afford the current invasion of central Americans. And there is no reason why we should allow illegal immigrants with no skills and o education to the country. They should be well takencare of on the way back to their homeland

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May 18, 2019 20:08:53   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
boberic wrote:
Your mother was right. But there are limits to charity. We can't afford the current invasion of central Americans. And there is no reason why we should allow illegal immigrants with no skills and o education to the country. They should be well takencare of on the way back to their homeland



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May 18, 2019 22:47:12   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
I have also heard that those coming here have incurable diseases.
They will be let into the sanctuary cities.

The South American countries are doing like Cuba did in the 80’s they emptied the prisons and sent them here. Remember that

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May 18, 2019 23:09:28   #
btbg
 
JamesCurran wrote:
arrg... I was only able to stand less than two minutes of that dreck.

Basically, it's one right-wing nutjob reading to us an article by another right-wing nutjob (I guess most righties can't read for themselves), giving his (right-wing nutjob) interpretation of a government report.

Now, tracing through all that to the actual government report (https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/annual-reports-and-sourcebooks/2018/FY18-Annual-Report-and-Sourcebook.pdf ) we can turn to page 58 and we can find the chart he based this on:


CITIZENSHIP OF FEDERAL OFFENDERS BY TYPE OF CRIME
Fiscal Year 2018

Citizens Non-Citizens
TYPE OF CRIME TOTAL N % N %
TOTAL 68,903 39,458 57.3 29,445 42.7


So, that seems to settle it, right? Well, no. First of all, it's "non-citizens" rather than "illegal aliens" -- so it included legal green-card holders, so really has no bearing on the claim that the undocumented commit fewer crimes. Further, it's only *Federal* crimes. The vast majority of crimes committed are state crimes. It's actually kind of difficult to commit a federal crime. (if you kill someone, then escape leaving the state, the murder is a state crime, the crossing state lines afterward is a federal crime)

Now, if we look at "Type of crime", we see what's going on:

Immigration 23,868 2,033 8.5 21,835 91.5

So, most immigration crimes are commit by non-citizens. OK, got that.

but what about the other crimes:

Citizens Non-Citizens
TYPE OF CRIME TOTAL N % N %
Administration
of Justice 723 559 77.3 164 22.7
Antitrust 53 51 96.2 2 3.8
Arson 55 53 96.4 2 3.6
Assault 685 629 91.8 56 8.2
Bribery/Corruption 316 296 93.7 20 6.3
Burglary/Trespass 41 37 90.2 4 9.8
Child Pornography 1,416 1,386 97.9 30 2.1
Commercialized Vice 146 126 86.3 20 13.7

So,a when we look at all other crimes, we see that citizens commit them about 10 to 20 times as much as non-citizens.
arrg... I was only able to stand less than two min... (show quote)


Well that shows that illegal immigrant crime is pretty serious then because the stats you cite aren't per capita they are total crimes.

There are still way more citizens than non citizens, so that means that per capita there is an inordinate amount of crime committed by non-citizens. That should be a concern no matter what side of the immigration issue you claim to be on.

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May 18, 2019 23:14:31   #
btbg
 
BigWahoo wrote:
Where is the DOJ report that is supposedly talked about in the drivel in the nut case right wing utube bs.?

Here are some facts:

"President Trump’s Executive Order on Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States requires the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to collect relevant data and provide quarterly reports on data collection efforts. On June 7, 2018 DOJ and DHS released the FY 2018 1st Quarter Alien Incarceration Report, complying with this order.[1] The report found that more than one-in-five of all persons in Bureau of Prisons custody were known or suspected aliens, "

One in Five is a little different than what is claimed.

Many of those are people suspected of being here illegally and not for other crimes.

You may or may not want to read this;

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/departments-justice-and-homeland-security-release-quarterly-alien-incarceration-report
Where is the DOJ report that is supposedly talked ... (show quote)


I am amazed that you don't seem to see one in five as being a big problem. I mean what percentage of the population is illegal? The estimates say there are 11 million people in the U.S. illegally. I think there are more than that. However, even if there are 22 million that is less than 8 percent of the population, but 20 percent of the prison population.

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May 18, 2019 23:32:39   #
soba1 Loc: Somewhere In So Ca
 
btbg wrote:
Well that shows that illegal immigrant crime is pretty serious then because the stats you cite aren't per capita they are total crimes.

There are still way more citizens than non citizens, so that means that per capita there is an inordinate amount of crime committed by non-citizens. That should be a concern no matter what side of the immigration issue you claim to be on.


You are expecting way too much. No one wants to be labeled a bigot so they swallow the narrative they just want a better life BS

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May 19, 2019 08:59:43   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
soba1 wrote:
You are expecting way too much. No one wants to be labeled a bigot so they swallow the narrative they just want a better life BS


Now that is the fact of the matter.

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May 19, 2019 09:17:15   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
lightcatcher wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73SXomwOXT0


Hence the term "criminal, illegal, alien"!
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/dna-tests-reveal-30-of-suspected-fraudulent-migrant-families-were-unrelated

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May 19, 2019 09:19:37   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Frank T wrote:
The video is very misleading as was pointed out by James.
If you need to lie to make your case, you have no case. Or possibly, you're the President.
Whichever.


The only truth you can handle is about six squares of Charmin.

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May 19, 2019 09:31:37   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
idaholover wrote:
The only truth you can handle is about six squares of Charmin.


Spud,
Really? That's the best you can do?
Tell you what. Go back and look at this again and then tell me if I'm wrong or if you're just being an obstinate old man who loves Trump for some unknown and/or unspoken reason.

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May 19, 2019 11:37:03   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Frank T wrote:
Spud,
Really? That's the best you can do?
Tell you what. Go back and look at this again and then tell me if I'm wrong or if you're just being an obstinate old man who loves Trump for some unknown and/or unspoken reason.


Sorry Frank but you don't rate any more effort than that.

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