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Jan 2, 2019 06:03:10   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Yes, of course, intelligently, Canon will phase in its mirrorless line and phase out its DSLR line over time.

My breaking point has more to do with whether mirrorless cameras produce a better photograph than my DSLRs, and not just in a minor way.
CHG_CANON wrote:
As you'll see over the next 24ish hours of responses, you're going to wish these relevant details had been included in the original post. Most will respond to that post with no reading of anything more ...

Given your investments in lighting, you should be able to shoot at lower or even base ISO. At the low ISOs, the difference between the cropped and full-frame sensors is negligible / immaterial when used with Canon's best (full-frame) lenses where the lens is the deciding factor, not the sensor size. Canon has indicated they'll have another model release of DSLRs of only select models, and then only EOS-R releases. Given the advanced capabilities of your near-current 70D, you're positioned to 'watch' the EOS-R develop beyond the first full-frame model and make the full-frame move to DSLR or mirrorless when resale prices on top models like the 5DS/r, 6DII, 5DIV, 1DX fall to the level of the new EOS-R (v-I or whatever is next).
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Jan 2, 2019 07:06:40   #
Cdouthitt Loc: Traverse City, MI
 
anotherview wrote:
Yes, of course, intelligently, Canon will phase in its mirrorless line and phase out its DSLR line over time.

My breaking point has more to do with whether mirrorless cameras produce a better photograph than my DSLRs, and not just in a minor way.


Image wise they are equal to each other. Feature wise, mirrorless cameras (generally) offer a lot more features.

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Jan 2, 2019 10:44:32   #
Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.
 
anotherview wrote:
Yes, of course, intelligently, Canon will phase in its mirrorless line and phase out its DSLR line over time.

My breaking point has more to do with whether mirrorless cameras produce a better photograph than my DSLRs, and not just in a minor way.


When the focus systems match the DSLR's in terms of tracking I would certainly move to mirrorless without a second thought. I recently purchased a Fuji X-T2 to use with my old manual lens collection and have been pleasantly surprised by many of its features including focus peaking and exposure preview, If the Canon R were not two steps behind the rest of the industry I would consider giving up my two full frame bodies to make the switch, the sad thing is that Canon introduced a camera that lags behind the rest of the industry.

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Jan 3, 2019 07:24:20   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Even so, these improvements alone do not bring this photog closer to the moment of switching to the mirrorless counterpart to the DSLR.

The caution of not being an early adopter also applies here. The first iteration of a technological development always falls short in some respect which the manufacturer later corrects.

Finally, I defy anyone to put two photographs side by side, one done mirrorless and one done with a DSLR, with the visual test to tell which is which. I doubt that even a pixel-peeper could distinguish the two.

A caveat exists, however, because the advanced camera may offer a feature or a function so desirable that it removes nearly all resistance to purchase it. For example, in my case, if the mirrorless line included a mechanism for determining the hyperfocal distance, I might jump at switching to it because it could improve the results of my landscape photography.
Cdouthitt wrote:
Image wise they are equal to each other. Feature wise, mirrorless cameras (generally) offer a lot more features.

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Jan 3, 2019 13:10:56   #
BlackRipleyDog
 
4OX wrote:
I am thinking about going full frame. I see pros and cons of each camera, but would like to see them side by side, in a concise way. But my question is this--can I use my current lenses with a full frame camera, or will I have to buy ALL NEW LENSES??? And I don't know what the "EF" and other abreviations mean. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and wisdom in advance! Happy New Year!

When I started in digital I was coming off using a Nikon film body and I had small set of older FF lenses. Not really aware of the full frame vs crop sensor meme at the time, I just started using my lenses on a crop sensor D70s then moving up to a D200. Not fully schooled in the crop factor aspect of it, I just bulled ahead and shot what I had for equipment and concentrated on my personal shooting style. Eventually I bought my first FF camera in the D600. Since I had no DX lenses, it was a natural progression. I now shoot with a D850 and all my lenses are FF. This is something that took over 10 years to develop. It boils down to budget on what do you want and what is the best way to acquire it. With the exception of two AF-S zoom lenses, I concentrated on Nikkor AF-D legacy glass. They have worked on every body I have owned and I paid an average of $350 each. The most expensive lense I have acquired cost $600 and that was new. I am about to blow that out of the water as I am considering a 24mm PC-E lense that is going to break $1200 used, for my landscape work.

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Jan 5, 2019 15:40:29   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
4OX wrote:
I am thinking about going full frame. I see pros and cons of each camera, but would like to see them side by side, in a concise way. But my question is this--can I use my current lenses with a full frame camera, or will I have to buy ALL NEW LENSES??? And I don't know what the "EF" and other abreviations mean. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and wisdom in advance! Happy New Year!


Your apsc lenses for Canon will work wonderfully and with 100% compatibility on FF Canon R Camera. In fact they will work better than they do now with the control adapter. So absolutely no worry about your current lenses being obsolete in any way possible.
As far as FF it generally generates a better photo pixel for pixel.
But your EF and EF-S lenses are all 100% useable on the Canon R Full frame system so no worries.

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