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Oct 31, 2018 21:27:59   #
fotoman150
 
I’ve just come to the sudden realization that cloud-based software such as Photoshop CC and Lightroom cc are not just for mobile phones but can be used on your PC or laptop.

I feel pretty dumb that I didn’t realize this along time ago. It’s just like doing your taxes online instead of installing the tax program into your hard drive.

My PC is very slow and I was trying to come up with faster hardware but was trying to hold the cost down.

So I see I don’t have to have fast hardware if I use the cloud-based editing. My question is would it speed up the process more than the hardware that I’ve got now which is very slow. AMD windows 10 system With only six gigs of RAM.

Does the speed of the Internet connection cause a slow down or bottle neck?

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Oct 31, 2018 21:34:03   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
fotoman150 wrote:
I’ve just come to the sudden realization that cloud-based software such as Photoshop CC and Lightroom cc are not just for mobile phones but can be used on your PC or laptop.

I feel pretty dumb that I didn’t realize this along time ago. It’s just like doing your taxes online instead of installing the tax program into your hard drive.

My PC is very slow and I was trying to come up with faster hardware but was trying to hold the cost down.

So I see I don’t have to have fast hardware if I use the cloud-based editing. My question is would it speed up the process more than the hardware that I’ve got now which is very slow. AMD windows 10 system With only six gigs of RAM.

Does the speed of the Internet connection cause a slow down or bottle neck?
I’ve just come to the sudden realization that clou... (show quote)


Lightroom Classic CC and Photoshop CC are NOT cloud based software. The apps download and install on your computer (desktop/laptop) and run there. The only thing that is cloud based is the licensing, meaning you need to be connected to the internet every now and then to validate your subscription is current. All processing/editing occurs on your computer. You can opt to store images in the cloud, either using the free space included with your account, or by subscribing for additional space.

FWIW: I make use of the Photography package for 9.99 a month, Photoshop CC, Lightroom Classic CC and Bridge, all downloaded and installed on my desktop. All my photos are stored on external drives connected to my desktop, Editing happens with my iMac....not on a cloud computer somewhere.

I do not make use of the Adobe cloud for storage.

Whats great is you always have the latest and greatest as it is released, no additional charge other then your continuing monthly subscription payment.

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Oct 31, 2018 21:37:06   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
fotoman150 wrote:
I’ve just come to the sudden realization that cloud-based software such as Photoshop CC and Lightroom cc are not just for mobile phones but can be used on your PC or laptop.

I feel pretty dumb that I didn’t realize this along time ago. It’s just like doing your taxes online instead of installing the tax program into your hard drive.

My PC is very slow and I was trying to come up with faster hardware but was trying to hold the cost down.

So I see I don’t have to have fast hardware if I use the cloud-based editing. My question is would it speed up the process more than the hardware that I’ve got now which is very slow. AMD windows 10 system With only six gigs of RAM.

Does the speed of the Internet connection cause a slow down or bottle neck?
I’ve just come to the sudden realization that clou... (show quote)


Oh absolutely.

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Oct 31, 2018 21:48:40   #
fotoman150
 
Dngallagher wrote:
Lightroom Classic CC and Photoshop CC are NOT cloud based software. The apps download and install on your computer (desktop/laptop) and run there. The only thing that is cloud based is the licensing, meaning you need to be connected to the internet every now and then to validate your subscription is current. All processing/editing occurs on your computer. You can opt to store images in the cloud, either using the free space included with your account, or by subscribing for additional space.

FWIW: I make use of the Photography package for 9.99 a month, Photoshop CC, Lightroom Classic CC and Bridge, all downloaded and installed on my desktop. All my photos are stored on external drives connected to my desktop, Editing happens with my iMac....not on a cloud computer somewhere.

I do not make use of the Adobe cloud for storage.

Whats great is you always have the latest and greatest as it is released, no additional charge other then your continuing monthly subscription payment.
Lightroom Classic CC and Photoshop CC are NOT clou... (show quote)


I read in a google search the the advantage to cloud based editing is that you don’t have to have super fast hardware. Did I read that wrong?

Update: yes I am wrong about adobe. See below replies.

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Oct 31, 2018 21:57:35   #
fotoman150
 
I see now that the cc products from adobe are not cloud based editors but there is something called WeVideo that is fully based on the cloud.

However it says full functioning cloud based editing is not available because there is too much data to be sent. So I was wrong about Photoshop CC.

I see no advantage to Photoshop CC over Classic CC if the program is not based in the cloud and only has cloud storage. I already have good cloud backup.

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Oct 31, 2018 22:38:10   #
fotoman150
 
I’m very disappointed that Photoshop CC is not cloud based software.

I remember how disappointed I was that cloud backup was so expensive in the early 2000’s. Now I pay $5.00 a month for cloud backup.

I’m always thinking ahead of the technology. I remember I tried to do a video based rental walkthrough business in the mid 80’s. I also wanted to have subscription based GPS tracking of pets in the early 90’s. The technology was just becoming available.

We think technology can do anything and it can do a lot but we get ahead ourselves sometimes at least I do.

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Oct 31, 2018 22:48:48   #
rplain1 Loc: Dayton, Oh.
 
And just why are you disappointed. Did you want to have the internet bottleneck?

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Oct 31, 2018 23:02:49   #
Dngallagher Loc: Wilmington De.
 
fotoman150 wrote:
I see now that the cc products from adobe are not cloud based editors but there is something called WeVideo that is fully based on the cloud.

However it says full functioning cloud based editing is not available because there is too much data to be sent. So I was wrong about Photoshop CC.

I see no advantage to Photoshop CC over Classic CC if the program is not based in the cloud and only has cloud storage. I already have good cloud backup.


Photoshop CC and Lightroom Classic CC are two very different products that work very well together as a tool set.

Lightroom provides image management, raw conversion & basic parametric editing.

Photoshop provides pixel level editing, layers and masking, and loads of other tools.

In most cases, images are “developed” in Lightroom, and finished in Photoshop.

In your quest for “cloud based” editing, have you considered the bandwidth required to transmit the original images, and to retrieve the finished images? For me, uploading huge raw files to edit on a cloud based computer and then downloading the finished image would take some time. Much faster to store my original raw files on my external disk, edit them locally and export them as needed to a local disk.

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Nov 1, 2018 00:01:19   #
fotoman150
 
Dngallagher wrote:
Photoshop CC and Lightroom Classic CC are two very different products that work very well together as a tool set.

Lightroom provides image management, raw conversion & basic parametric editing.

Photoshop provides pixel level editing, layers and masking, and loads of other tools.

In most cases, images are “developed” in Lightroom, and finished in Photoshop.

In your quest for “cloud based” editing, have you considered the bandwidth required to transmit the original images, and to retrieve the finished images? For me, uploading huge raw files to edit on a cloud based computer and then downloading the finished image would take some time. Much faster to store my original raw files on my external disk, edit them locally and export them as needed to a local disk.
Photoshop CC and Lightroom Classic CC are two very... (show quote)


You’re right it was just wishful thinking on my part.

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Nov 1, 2018 07:18:08   #
pithydoug Loc: Catskill Mountains, NY
 
Dngallagher wrote:
Lightroom Classic CC and Photoshop CC are NOT cloud based software. The apps download and install on your computer (desktop/laptop) and run there. The only thing that is cloud based is the licensing, meaning you need to be connected to the internet every now and then to validate your subscription is current. All processing/editing occurs on your computer. You can opt to store images in the cloud, either using the free space included with your account, or by subscribing for additional space.

FWIW: I make use of the Photography package for 9.99 a month, Photoshop CC, Lightroom Classic CC and Bridge, all downloaded and installed on my desktop. All my photos are stored on external drives connected to my desktop, Editing happens with my iMac....not on a cloud computer somewhere.

I do not make use of the Adobe cloud for storage.

Whats great is you always have the latest and greatest as it is released, no additional charge other then your continuing monthly subscription payment.
Lightroom Classic CC and Photoshop CC are NOT clou... (show quote)



My environment exactly plus NIK. I love the fact that I get fixes AND new function in the service stream. And 10 bucks a month for LR/PS and ACR, if you choose to use it, is a steal!

Adobe just dropped HDR/Pano into LR as if the separate functions weren't strong enough. If you want to do photo stacking, just highlight the set of pics and open in PS with layers, align and merge, with a Tiff returned to LR. Damn, is that easy!

Color me happy!!!!

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Nov 1, 2018 07:22:58   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
Oh absolutely.


Especially if it is encrypted!
If I want to copy a Gig or so from one computer to another, I put the files on a USB stick and use sneaker net. MUCH faster.

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Nov 1, 2018 07:38:10   #
abc1234 Loc: Elk Grove Village, Illinois
 
fotoman150 wrote:
...I’m always thinking ahead of the technology...We think technology can do anything and it can do a lot but we get ahead ourselves sometimes at least I do.


Sorry fotoman, not in this case. You are running AMD and 6 G. I do not know anymore about AMD being that competitive with Intel (just look at their shares, https://www.statista.com/statistics/735904/worldwide-x86-intel-amd-market-share/) but 6 G certainly inadequate. Before worrying about cloud-based computing or storage, you might want to deal with your RAM.

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Nov 1, 2018 07:52:16   #
BebuLamar
 
fotoman150 wrote:
I’m very disappointed that Photoshop CC is not cloud based software.

I remember how disappointed I was that cloud backup was so expensive in the early 2000’s. Now I pay $5.00 a month for cloud backup.

I’m always thinking ahead of the technology. I remember I tried to do a video based rental walkthrough business in the mid 80’s. I also wanted to have subscription based GPS tracking of pets in the early 90’s. The technology was just becoming available.

We think technology can do anything and it can do a lot but we get ahead ourselves sometimes at least I do.
I’m very disappointed that Photoshop CC is not clo... (show quote)


I don't like cloud based software because I have to depend on internet connection. PL and LR are OK because the internet is only needed to verify the license and I don't have to always connect to the internet.

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Nov 1, 2018 08:02:09   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
pithydoug wrote:
My environment exactly plus NIK. I love the fact that I get fixes AND new function in the service stream. And 10 bucks a month for LR/PS and ACR, if you choose to use it, is a steal!

Adobe just dropped HDR/Pano into LR as if the separate functions weren't strong enough. If you want to do photo stacking, just highlight the set of pics and open in PS with layers, align and merge, with a Tiff returned to LR. Damn, is that easy!

Color me happy!!!!


Yes I agree

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Nov 1, 2018 08:03:27   #
ggab Loc: ?
 
fotoman150 wrote:
I read in a google search the the advantage to cloud based editing is that you don’t have to have super fast hardware. Did I read that wrong?



You are correct with true cloud based applications.
How do you know if it is a truly cloud based application?
If you access the application via a browser, then chances are it is truly cloud based.
With a cloud based application the computing power is on the server that hosts the application, not your pc.
Yes, your internet speed is crucial for uploading and downloading your images.

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