Im looking at a new cannon (Page 8): I’ll have to try that. I try to keep the shutter speed as high as feasible by adjusting the ISO but sometimes in low light situations, I have to...

Sally D

Chris T wrote:

Well, thanks, Sally ... how sweet of you to say ..... (show quote)

I’ll have to try that. I try to keep the shutter speed as high as feasible by adjusting the ISO but sometimes in low light situations, I have to compromise a bit. But I have a question. If I set the shutter speed at 1000, won’t the camera up the ISO as far as necessary to accomplish that even if it’s maybe 1600? I haven’t ever used the Program mode on my camera but I will take a look at it.

Sally D

Chris T wrote:

Rogers ... yes, well - that's with your 77D, you see ... which has a much higher ISO capability ...

My comments to Sally D - were based on her use of the very much older SL1 ... the two Canon bodies are now - light years apart ....

I'm not surprised you got great pics from the 77D ... it's THE most advanced Canon APS-C DSLR out there, right now ...

Looks like my next camera will be the 77D. I’d pretty much already decided that was what I should upgrade to. 😁

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

Sally D wrote:

Looks like my next camera will be the 77D. I’d pretty much already decided that was what I should upgrade to. 😁

You won't regret it, Sally ... it's a far, far better camera than your SL1 ... and at $649 - it's a steal!

CanonUSA is selling it right now, with their best non-L lens - the EF-S 18-135 USM - for just $1049 !!!!!

Take a look > https://shop.usa.canon.com/shop/SearchDisplay?categoryId=&storeId=10051&catalogId=10051&langId=-1&sType=SimpleSearch&resultCatEntryType=2&showResultsPage=true&searchSource=Q&pageView=&beginIndex=0&pageSize=18&searchTerm=77D

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

Sally D wrote:

I’ll have to try that. I try to keep the shutter speed as high as feasible by adjusting the ISO but sometimes in low light situations, I have to compromise a bit. But I have a question. If I set the shutter speed at 1000, won’t the camera up the ISO as far as necessary to accomplish that even if it’s maybe 1600? I haven’t ever used the Program mode on my camera but I will take a look at it.

Sally ... that totally depends on the available lighting situation. If you use Shutter Priority Mode AND Auto ISO - and there's not much light - it could do that. But, if you don't HAVE much available light ... and you don't wish to deal with inherent noise from the camera selecting too high an ISO - put a cap on it - take it OFF Auto ISO, and set the max ISO yourself ... you can even cap it USING Auto ISO on some cameras - and I believe the 77D is one of them. It's a marvel, Sally ... go for it!!!!!

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

Sally D wrote:

I’ll have to try that. I try to keep the shutter speed as high as feasible by adjusting the ISO but sometimes in low light situations, I have to compromise a bit. But I have a question. If I set the shutter speed at 1000, won’t the camera up the ISO as far as necessary to accomplish that even if it’s maybe 1600? I haven’t ever used the Program mode on my camera but I will take a look at it.

Sally ... Program Mode is the best Default Mode on ANY camera. In Program, you still control the ISO - either, manually - or by setting it on Auto ISO, if you wish ...

Full Auto - chooses a three-way compromise between ISO, Shutter Speed, and Aperture Setting, and also - pops up the flash on those cameras which have built-ins.

It takes ALL the decisions away from the user, which may, or may not - be a good thing. Personally, I prefer to decide when it might make more sense to use flash.

Program Mode will ONLY set the best Aperture for max. DOF - balanced with the best shutter speed for the given situation (dependent on how elaborate is the CPU) ....

Once again - no matter how good that incorporation is - it's not going to know whether you want to freeze the action of wild horses, or whether you want to show their motion.

That's a decision YOU have to make. If they're galloping ... you probably want to freeze them. If they're cantering ... you may want to show some motion in the pics ....

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

Chris T wrote:

Of course, the Pros do, TriX - and most Pros - who make a good living at Photography - use the largest format Digital Cameras they can get their hands on - be it Hassy, or Phase One, Pentax 645, or Fuji GFX-50S ... if they haven't already bought digital backs for their 4x5s or 8x10s. FF is actually a compromise between easier handling and the larger formats. It's a well-established format, and uses a sensor equal to the frame size established by 35mm Film Cameras. But, the electronics required to make a good FF digital camera, means that body will be heavy - because of the electronics, and the larger mirror and prism used in FF DSLRs. Actually, though - Sony makes the exact same SLT camera body work for no less than THREE designs - the a77, the a77II and the FULL FRAME a99II ... all incorporate magnesium, as do the Nikon Prosumer DX entries - the D7000, D7100, D7200, and D7500. The Pentax K-50 also incorporates metal (aluminum) and this also makes for a really sturdy body.
And the Pentax - can be picked up now - for around $400. It offers a top ISO of 51,200 - which is more than almost every APS-C camera out there.

BTW ... you have confused two lines of posts: it is Sally D who uses the Rebel SL1, and a 100-400 lens, and is now considering the purchase of an EF-S 15-85 IS USM based on both Alan Myers (Amfoto) and my recommendations. As she had not answered my last comment to her on HER post, and she cropped up on THIS one, then, I naturally, asked her how she was getting on with that, and whether the slow speed she was experiencing was with the 100-400 or the 15-85 (which she's not yet got)

This is the OP's post here:

out4life2016 wrote:
Im currently shooting with a canon T3 and have managed to come up with about 1000 dollars to spend on some new gear. I want to stay with canon so I can still use other lens purchased but not sure if I want a new camera body or another lens. I have basically outgrown my T3 or so I believe and have been looking at the canon 80D however most people I have talked to said the 77D is a great camera. I Shoot mostly landscape and wildlife however am currently starting classes on portrait photography and some night photography.. Any suggestions would be great appreciated.

As you can see - he does not mention anything about the 100-400 lens, and is only concerned with upgrading the T3 - a body which I also own (see the icon) ....

Now, then - on the matter of size ... since the 6D2 is Canon's latest entry in the FF DSLR market, I decided to take a look at it at Best Buy, and it was side-by-side with the APS-C Canon EOS 80D - yet another camera I've been considering. I expected the 6D2 to be significantly larger than the 80D. It wasn't. In fact, they both seemed to be - pretty much, the same size. Indeed, in some respects, the 80D seemed larger. It was unfortunate, that, at the time, they did not have the 77D, as it would've been nice to see them all in a row. However, I have held one, and it was quite a bit smaller than my Canon EOS Rebel T4i, which, itself - is ever so slightly smaller than my T3. ... When I bought my 60D ... I expected it to be bigger, but was completely thrown off by how much bigger it actually was ... it's probably - the biggest APS-C digital camera ever made. Anyway, owning all three of them - gives me a good gauge by which I can compare ALL digital cameras, size-wise.

One more thing - by everybody's estimation (who write at this site) digital technology improves by leaps and bounds - about every two (to three) years. So, I cannot understand why ANYONE would want to jump BACK 4-6 years to buy a camera at its prime, at that time. It may have more features, and/or - a bigger sensor, but it's still outdated technology. The newest Canon cameras - the 5D4, the 6D2, the M50 and the 77D ... are all "now" cameras. Why anyone who is considering a new Canon camera body purchase would opt for anything less than these - is quite beyond me ... I would not ... you'd be throwing your money away ....

Of course, the Pros do, TriX - and most Pros - who... (show quote)

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Sally D

Chris T wrote:

You won't regret it, Sally ... it's a far, far bet... (show quote)

That’s a great deal. . . But having just bought the 100-400L and really needing the 15-85 by the first of September, I need to space out my purchases a bit. My husband had been supportive of my new hobby but I don’t want to push that too far. 😏

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

Sally D wrote:

That’s a great deal. . . But having just bought the 100-400L and really needing the 15-85 by the first of September, I need to space out my purchases a bit. My husband had been supportive of my new hobby but I don’t want to push that too far. 😏

Yes, it is ... if you buy that lens alone, it will cost you a minimum of $500, perhaps closer to $600. You save $100 (min) getting it with the 77D !!!!

Also, there's a two-lens deal on that page - the cheapest L - the EF 17-40 f4L USM, WITH the Compact EF-S 50 f1.4 USM - for just $850 !!!!!

These sales END on September 1st, Sally ...

Wish I could take advantage of BOTH deals ... maybe, next year ... next time around ...

I DO understand about hubby reining you in on your purchases ... sorry ....

Sally D

Chris T wrote:

Yes, it is ... if you buy that lens alone, it will... (show quote)

You’re obviously a great shopper too! I just hate spending more than I have to for anything. I’m sure this comes from my Grandfather whose motto was “save, save, save.” Have a great day!

Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England

Sally D wrote:

You’re obviously a great shopper too! I just hate spending more than I have to for anything. I’m sure this comes from my Grandfather whose motto was “save, save, save.” Have a great day!

I'd like to think so ... but, I must admit - a time or two, I've bought something, and afterwards - found it for less, somewhere else ... who hasn't?

You, too, Sally ... Happy Hunting!