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Jul 18, 2018 11:22:22   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
thom w wrote:
You show no evidence that illegal aliens will be allowed to vote, because they won't. No non-citizen can vote for president, the electoral college is only for the election of the president, so your whole premise is false. What's wrong with you? If you had confidence in your idea, you wouldn't resort to lies in order to support it.


The only lie here is your spewing the progressive agenda that people who are not qualified to vote will not vote, get real Nancy.

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Jul 18, 2018 11:23:38   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
thom w wrote:
You show no evidence that illegal aliens will be allowed to vote, because they won't. No non-citizen can vote for president, the electoral college is only for the election of the president, so your whole premise is false. What's wrong with you? If you had confidence in your idea, you wouldn't resort to lies in order to support it.

So what is wrong with qualifying voters before they are able to vote?

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Jul 18, 2018 11:46:40   #
forbescat
 
Frank T wrote:
I understand what you're saying but there are some things to remember. One, the electors don't have to vote the way the voters did. Two, by having an electoral college what we in effect have done is allow a voter in Idaho to have four times the power of a voter in California. Three, when the electoral college was first instituted there was no means of communication other than sending someone to the capital with the results. Now we no longer face the problem and finally, I don't believe the founding fathers ever intended for a minority of voters to control federal elections.
We can't easily get rid of the electoral college but we can negate the problems if we get five more states to change their rules and give all their electoral votes to the popular vote winner.
I understand what you're saying but there are some... (show quote)


I don't believe the founding fathers ever intended a few states to control federal elections. What has been corrupted is the amount of power that has been taken from the states by the federal government.

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Jul 18, 2018 11:54:13   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
forbescat wrote:
I don't believe the founding fathers ever intended a few states to control federal elections. What has been corrupted is the amount of power that has been taken from the states by the federal government.


The founding fathers only had 13 states.

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Jul 18, 2018 12:00:14   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
Frank T wrote:
The entire premise is flawed. First off, illegal aliens aren't allowed to vote and when they did a study of voter fraud they found 0.001 rate of suspected fraud.
Second, the electoral college has no impact on voter fraud or illegal aliens and in fact, would make it worse. Take a state like Georgia with 16 electoral votes. If we eliminated that system and 10 people voted illegally, the final count would show 10 votes in the national total. If however 10 people voted illegally and the Georgia election was decided by 10 votes, then all 16 electoral votes would go to the candidate that those 10 people influenced.
Then let's go from there. In the recent past, we've had three Presidents elected by a minority of the voters. This is wrong on a lot of levels and needs to be stopped. The vote for President should be a vote by a majority of the voters.
Fortunately, some states are taking this head on and because the states have the right to control their own voting rules, they've decided to give 100% of their electoral votes to the candidate who wins the popular vote.
So presently there are 12 states that have passed and signed that bill into law.
Some of the states that didn't pass it was because it was vetoed by the Governor and then they didn't have enough votes to override the veto.
All that's needed is an additional 5 states to pass this and the entire electoral system becomes an impotent memory and the people of this country get to actually control who wins elections.
The really amazing part of this is that now that I've posted this, the attacks will begin from the Right. The Right, who believes in Mom, apple pie and the Flag is going to defend a system that takes away the power of the populace. Louise, Blurry, go ahead, I've heard all your insults before but maybe this time you can make a cognizant argument.
The entire premise is flawed. First off, illegal ... (show quote)


Oh please. You are actually expecting this crowd to think. A bridge too far, IMO.

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Jul 18, 2018 12:02:05   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
Bazbo wrote:
Oh please. You are actually expecting this crowd to think. A bridge too far, IMO.


My bad.

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Jul 18, 2018 12:06:56   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
thom w wrote:
You show no evidence that illegal aliens will be allowed to vote, because they won't. No non-citizen can vote for president, the electoral college is only for the election of the president, so your whole premise is false. What's wrong with you? If you had confidence in your idea, you wouldn't resort to lies in order to support it.


SF just let the camel's nose into the tent. Keep wearin' those blinders, Thom.

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Jul 18, 2018 12:17:21   #
forbescat
 
Frank T wrote:
The founding fathers only had 13 states.


So??? The Constitution is such a marvel of governmental organization and was meant to cover growth without knowing just what the details would be. The men who fought over every word were such thinkers. We don't have that today. So let's not destroy that marvel especially when you compare that with every other country in the world. Socialism seems to be the new darling of the young who are the least educated of any generation in our history. Do not let them become the voice of the American people.

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Jul 18, 2018 12:19:25   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
skylane5sp wrote:
SF just let the camel's nose into the tent. Keep wearin' those blinders, Thom.


You don't get it, Thom wants the camel in the tent.

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Jul 18, 2018 12:45:12   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
forbescat wrote:
So??? The Constitution is such a marvel of governmental organization and was meant to cover growth without knowing just what the details would be. The men who fought over every word were such thinkers. We don't have that today. So let's not destroy that marvel especially when you compare that with every other country in the world. Socialism seems to be the new darling of the young who are the least educated of any generation in our history. Do not let them become the voice of the American people.
So??? The Constitution is such a marvel of govern... (show quote)




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Jul 18, 2018 13:20:23   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
forbescat wrote:
So??? The Constitution is such a marvel of governmental organization and was meant to cover growth without knowing just what the details would be. The men who fought over every word were such thinkers. We don't have that today. So let's not destroy that marvel especially when you compare that with every other country in the world. Socialism seems to be the new darling of the young who are the least educated of any generation in our history. Do not let them become the voice of the American people.
So??? The Constitution is such a marvel of govern... (show quote)


I heard Jesus wrote it.

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Jul 18, 2018 13:38:47   #
forbescat
 
Frank T wrote:
I heard Jesus wrote it.


LOL, I can see him donning a powdered wig now.

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Jul 18, 2018 15:27:47   #
skylane5sp Loc: Puyallup, WA
 
Frank T wrote:
I heard Jesus wrote it.


You hear a lot of strange voices, don't you.

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Jul 18, 2018 16:09:55   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
forbescat wrote:
So??? The Constitution is such a marvel of governmental organization and was meant to cover growth without knowing just what the details would be. The men who fought over every word were such thinkers. We don't have that today. So let's not destroy that marvel especially when you compare that with every other country in the world. Socialism seems to be the new darling of the young who are the least educated of any generation in our history. Do not let them become the voice of the American people.
So??? The Constitution is such a marvel of govern... (show quote)


Argue for the electoral college if you wish, but don't use pecan's argument, it is totally bogus.

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Jul 18, 2018 16:11:38   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
phcaan wrote:
You don't get it, Thom wants the camel in the tent.


You're a moron, or worse, but in all fairness, you probably didn't choose to be.

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