phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

The right to vote is something that goes along with citizenship and is mandated by the Constitution of the United States. You are a U.S. citizen (either by birth or naturalization) You meet your state's residency requirements. You are 18 year old. (Some states allow 17-year-olds to vote in primaries or register to vote if they will be 18 before the general election).
Yes this applies to general elections, but since when do illegal aliens qualify to vote in any election?

http://www.npr.org/2017/05/03/526703128/non-citizens-will-soon-be-able-to-vote-in-san-francisco-for-school-board

http://rightedition.com/2018/07/17/san-francisco-gives-illegal-aliens-the-right-to-vote/

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

[quote=phcaan]The right to vote is something that goes along with citizenship and is mandated by the Constitution of the United States. You are a U.S. citizen (either by birth or naturalization) You meet your state's residency requirements. You are 18 year old. (Some states allow 17-year-olds to vote in primaries or register to vote if they will be 18 before the general election).
Yes this applies to general elections, but since when do illegal aliens qualify to vote in any election?

abc7news.com/politics/sf-department-of-elections-issues-voter-registration-forms-for-non-citizens/3773817/

LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America

Bad link

tradio Loc: Oxford, Ohio

The Democrats are counting on the illegal votes.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

Fixed it.

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

The entire premise is flawed. First off, illegal aliens aren't allowed to vote and when they did a study of voter fraud they found 0.001 rate of suspected fraud.
Second, the electoral college has no impact on voter fraud or illegal aliens and in fact, would make it worse. Take a state like Georgia with 16 electoral votes. If we eliminated that system and 10 people voted illegally, the final count would show 10 votes in the national total. If however 10 people voted illegally and the Georgia election was decided by 10 votes, then all 16 electoral votes would go to the candidate that those 10 people influenced.
Then let's go from there. In the recent past, we've had three Presidents elected by a minority of the voters. This is wrong on a lot of levels and needs to be stopped. The vote for President should be a vote by a majority of the voters.
Fortunately, some states are taking this head on and because the states have the right to control their own voting rules, they've decided to give 100% of their electoral votes to the candidate who wins the popular vote.
So presently there are 12 states that have passed and signed that bill into law.
Some of the states that didn't pass it was because it was vetoed by the Governor and then they didn't have enough votes to override the veto.
All that's needed is an additional 5 states to pass this and the entire electoral system becomes an impotent memory and the people of this country get to actually control who wins elections.
The really amazing part of this is that now that I've posted this, the attacks will begin from the Right. The Right, who believes in Mom, apple pie and the Flag is going to defend a system that takes away the power of the populace. Louise, Blurry, go ahead, I've heard all your insults before but maybe this time you can make a cognizant argument.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

The electoral collage also limits the influence of stats that encourage unqualified people to vote, like you see in San Francisco today. Illegal aliens can indeed vote in San Francisco.

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

My post covered that. However, by your post, I would deduce that you believe that a minority of the people should choose who becomes the President. Sort of like they do in Russia.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

No, I believe constitutionally qualified voters should choose who becomes the president, as usual you didn't deduce anything, you attempted to change what I posted to further your own agenda,

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

So if the majority of "constitutionally qualified voters", vote for Candidate A, but the electoral college Votes for Candidate B, who should be declared the winner?

forbescat

We are not a pure democracy but a representative democracy. That keeps a few large states from ruling everything. I personally would hate to see this country under the absolute domination of Calif, NY and Ill. I didn't do the numbers but you get the idea.

Frank T Loc: New York, NY

I understand what you're saying but there are some things to remember. One, the electors don't have to vote the way the voters did. Two, by having an electoral college what we in effect have done is allow a voter in Idaho to have four times the power of a voter in California. Three, when the electoral college was first instituted there was no means of communication other than sending someone to the capital with the results. Now we no longer face the problem and finally, I don't believe the founding fathers ever intended for a minority of voters to control federal elections.
We can't easily get rid of the electoral college but we can negate the problems if we get five more states to change their rules and give all their electoral votes to the popular vote winner.

mwalsh Loc: Houston

This San Fransisco voting rule has no impact on elections for national office...no impact on the electoral college.

States and localities can make whatever rules they want for their own election jurisductions.

I find the idea of letting illegals vote in any election a bit crazy...but San Fran is somewhat liberal overall.

thom w Loc: San Jose, CA

You show no evidence that illegal aliens will be allowed to vote, because they won't. No non-citizen can vote for president, the electoral college is only for the election of the president, so your whole premise is false. What's wrong with you? If you had confidence in your idea, you wouldn't resort to lies in order to support it.

phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO

I agree, this is how it is now, but come general election time do you really see anyone in San Fransisco checking, or even caring who is voting, I don't.