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Jun 24, 2018 15:49:32   #
gwilliams6
 
nadelewitz wrote:
Okay, I'll bow to your knowledge, opinions and possibly your predictions...with just one fact. An optical viewfinder doesn't have or introduce ANY "dots". No pixels. Nothing. It conveys the continuous-tone image just as it exists. Like a lens. Are you comparing the appearance of a matte focusing screen to an EVF?


This is how CIPA compares and rates all viewfinders, OVFs and EVFs. There are no dots you see but even an OVF screen has a certain resolution. Cheers

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Jun 24, 2018 15:53:49   #
jccash Loc: Longwood, Florida
 
jackpinoh wrote:
If such absolute accuracy is so important, all photographs must be a huge disappointment to you. No photo viewed on a screen or as a print will ever be as clear as continuous-tone nature --because the image is output as pixels! So what. It is close enough! At some point your eye/brain accepts those pixels as continuous tones.

Your eye and brain the ultimate limitations in resolving images. The best EVFs are already good enough that it makes no difference to my eye/brain that I am not looking through an OVF.
If such absolute accuracy is so important, all pho... (show quote)


Friend of mine (Mark Smith) captured this image with his Nikon D850 and Nikon 500mm f4 lens.



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Jun 24, 2018 15:58:57   #
gwilliams6
 
Selene03 wrote:
You obviously do good work with your Sony cameras and really find the evf wonderful. Granted I only have the a7iii, an entry level model, and I am just learning how to use it, but I would say that I like it fine in dark night skies, in fact, more than fine (which is why I bought the camera), but I really still prefer by a large margin the ovf on my Canon cameras (both high end and low end). Different people interact with tools and equipment differently. Just because the evf works so wonderful for you in all circumstances, doesn't necessarily mean it is the right choice for everyone. I also do agree that the evfs are much better than they used to be, but I still believe I can see light nuances in the ovf that seem to get washed out in the evf, especially in complex lighting situations (by which I mean complex, not necessarily low light--I will give that one to the evf for sure). In any case, your pictures are terrific and I am glad you found cameras that work so well for you. Maybe some day if I ever have the time to play with them seriously, I can get them to work that well for me. I am not ready to abandon my Canon equipment at this point, but I do like the small size and night sky abilities of the a7iii.
You obviously do good work with your Sony cameras ... (show quote)


The EVF of the excellent A7III is NOT the best EVF resolution of Sony cameras. The EVF of the A9 and A7RIII is noticeably better. The EVFs of the A7RIII and A9 are the same and have equaled the resolution and clarity of the top tested DSLR OVF of the excellent D850.

(From Mirrorless Comparison article) : "Electronic Viewfinder and rear monitor
One thing the new A7 mark III doesn’t inherit from the higher end models is the electronic viewfinder: it keeps the same OLED panel as the A7 II with 2,360k dots of resolution and a 60fps refresh rate. The magnification is the same as the A7R III however (0.78x) thanks to a new optical design.

The A7R III and A9 have a 3,686k OLED panel and a faster refresh rate of 100/120fps. We found that the extra resolution combined with the sensor makes a big difference when focusing manually in stills mode, especially when using magnification.

As for the rear screen, they both feature touch sensitivity and a tilting mechanism, but the resolution on the A7R III and A9 is higher (1,440k vs 921k dots).
with over 3million dot resolution." [end quote]

I personally have both cameras, the A7RIII (upgraded from A7RII) and the A7III and yes the EVF of the A7RIII and A9 now equals the view and resolution of the best OVFs I have used and tested, along with all the added performance advantages of an EVF including EYE-AF, Focus Peaking, Zebra Settings, and more.(none of which can be done by any OVF) .

The A7III EVF is fine, but not quite as fine as the EVF in the A7RIII and A9. Sony had to cut something from the A7III to bring all its outstanding performance in at that price. Cheers

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Jun 24, 2018 16:07:30   #
gwilliams6
 
jccash wrote:
Friend of mine (Mark Smith) captured this image with his Nikon D850 and Nikon 500mm f4 lens.


Great shot, love it.

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Jun 24, 2018 16:09:16   #
jccash Loc: Longwood, Florida
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Great shot, love it.


The detail the D850 in that shot is amazing.

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Jun 24, 2018 16:37:46   #
gwilliams6
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Great shot, love it.


There is no argument that the best DSLR currently on the market is the Nikon D850, hands down. The only area it is lacking is in video autofocus. Nikon is still far behind Sony and Canon in video autofocusing. I am sure that will be addressed and corrected by Nikon when they release their upcoming pro fullframe mirrorless camera. I truly hope so, as I want Nikon and Canon to succeed with their upcoming fullframe mirrorless cameras (which will have EVFs) . True competition will keep all the camera makers innovating. Cheers

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Jun 24, 2018 17:19:04   #
Bob Locher Loc: Southwest Oregon
 
Sigh... This how needless flame wars start. "There is no argument that the best DSLR currently on the market is the Nikon D850, hands down."
I have no basis personally to dispute that - but I rather expect those would be fighting words for others. Could you not have said "There is no argument that one of the the best DSLR's currently on the market is the Nikon D850?" Saying it that way is far more civil towards others with differing opinions. Even if you are absolutely right.

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Jun 24, 2018 18:43:44   #
gwilliams6
 
Bob Locher wrote:
Sigh... This how needless flame wars start. "There is no argument that the best DSLR currently on the market is the Nikon D850, hands down."
I have no basis personally to dispute that - but I rather expect those would be fighting words for others. Could you not have said "There is no argument that one of the the best DSLR's currently on the market is the Nikon D850?" Saying it that way is far more civil towards others with differing opinions. Even if you are absolutely right.
Sigh... This how needless flame wars start. "... (show quote)


No harm meant to Canon and other DSLR folks. I was one for a few decades, but most independent tests and reviews place the D850 currently at the top of the high-megapixel DSLR market. For pure sports DSLRs ,of course you could argue for Nikon 5Ds and Canon 1Ds but they dont have that ultimate resolution of the D850.

Bob thanks, you are right. If everyone will feel better, then yes I will change and say the D850 is one of the best DSLRs currently on the market. All these rankings can change in a heartbeat with the next great new camera release. Expect this to always be a fluid thing from year to year, model to model, so no need to get all upset folks. Relax and be happy with what you like to use. There is room here for us all to keep making our great shots, no matter what gear we use. It is more about the art than the gear anyway. Cheers

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Jun 24, 2018 19:57:24   #
wds0410 Loc: Nunya
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
No harm meant to Canon and other DSLR folks. I was one for a few decades, but most independent tests and reviews place the D850 currently at the top of the high-megapixel DSLR market. For pure sports DSLRs ,of course you could argue for Nikon 5Ds and Canon 1Ds but they dont have that ultimate resolution of the D850.

Bob thanks, you are right. If everyone will feel better, then yes I will change and say the D850 is one of the best DSLRs currently on the market. All these rankings can change in a heartbeat with the next great new camera release. Expect this to always be a fluid thing from year to year, model to model, so no need to get all upset folks. Relax and be happy with what you like to use. There is room here for us all to keep making our great shots, no matter what gear we use. It is more about the art than the gear anyway. Cheers
No harm meant to Canon and other DSLR folks. I was... (show quote)


As Lee Trevino said on another subject: "Its the Indian, not the arrow."

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Jun 24, 2018 21:07:14   #
gwilliams6
 
duplicate post,sorry

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Jun 24, 2018 21:07:14   #
gwilliams6
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RCwDn117j4

If you aren't already tired of this discussion, here is a new (today) youtube video from reviewer/vlogger Dave McKeegan, titled "Sony Are Not Perfect Either" . Dave has been accused of being a Canon basher and Sony Lover (we are all so quick to label each other lol)

Well Dave gives a thorough talk about why he switched from a longtime Canon user to Sony and what Canon can do to better serve its loyal users going forward, and also whether he would come back to Canon in the future. He can explain the reasons, as he sees them, behind the shifts that are happening in the market and in the needs of shooters who are doing more hybrid shooting with a single camera nowadays (hybrid equals stills and video) . IMHO, Nikon to a greater degree has given its shooters more tech-filled and frequent real advances in its successive releases than Canon who used to lead the world in camera tech and innovation, as they soared to the #1 camera brand. Maybe they will lead again. Worth watching .

BTW Dave and I both want Canon and Nikon to succeed here. We need the best products and competition from ALL the camera makers so we continue to get the best innovative choices in gear to fit our changing needs. Sony are not perfect either folks. Cheers

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Jun 24, 2018 21:15:34   #
gwilliams6
 
wds0410 wrote:
As Lee Trevino said on another subject: "Its the Indian, not the arrow."


Its both, but yes much more Indian than arrow. The best Indian with crooked arrows won't hit much. lol Cheers

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Jun 24, 2018 21:30:08   #
gwilliams6
 
I will throw up a shot for any Harry Potter fans. This shot highlights the great dynamic range of the best modern digital camera sensors. Back in the days of film, you couldn't make a shot that had this much DR. The shot is from Loch Shiel, Glenfinnan, Scotland, the actual location where they filmed many key scenes in the Harry Potter movie series. It was rainy, miserable day but my A7RII was able to capture this scene in all its weather glory. PLEASE CLICK ON " DOWNLOAD" BELOW THE SHOT TO SEE THE TRUE COLORS, DYNAMIC RANGE AND HIGHER RES. This is the jpeg straight out of the camera (with my added watermark). I always shoot raw+jpeg, so the raw version of this image will look even better with even more shadow detail after post processing. And yes if you are a keen observer, there is some sensor dirt in the top left sky area of the shot. I did clean my sensor during this three-week trek through the Scottish Highlands and Hebrides Islands last October 2017. Cheers.


(Download)

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Jun 25, 2018 00:00:41   #
hipines Loc: Prescott, AZ
 
Many thanks to everyone who responded to my original post - you've given me a lot to consider. Lots of great photos posted, too. Thanks again.

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Jun 25, 2018 00:50:09   #
gwilliams6
 
hipines wrote:
Many thanks to everyone who responded to my original post - you've given me a lot to consider. Lots of great photos posted, too. Thanks again.


You are welcome, hope it wasn't too overwhelming. Good luck with your chosen gear. Cheers

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