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Jun 17, 2018 05:58:13   #
LensWork
 
burkphoto wrote:
If I'm recording JPEGs at the camera for a client who wants Adobe RGB, the client will get original files in Adobe RGB. Otherwise, they will get JPEGs in sRGB.

If I'm converting to JPEGs from raw files in post-production, the output can similarly be Adobe RGB or sRGB.

When recording raw files, it does not matter what the profile setting is at the camera! The appropriate raw profile will be used in post-production to convert the data to the working color space I've chosen, and then from the working color space to the output color space. (That said, my default profile for JPEGs is sRGB, and it gets changed ONLY if the client needs Adobe RGB.)

SOME graphic arts houses prefer Adobe RGB from photographers, because they are used to getting crappy color from photographers who adjust images without calibrating their monitors. Adobe RGB gives them a smidge more ability to adjust it from an original JPEG. (But it's less than they think!)

MOST photo labs printing to silver halide paper (conventional wet process) prefer to receive all files as sRGB. Such photo labs don't accept raw files, and some require you to TELL THEM if you use Adobe RGB, so they can interpret your files correctly. That is because they STRIP OFF the metadata and embedded sRGB profiles when importing files to their servers.

HIGH END service bureaus with top notch inkjet printers from Epson or Canon sometimes allow clients with laptops or notebooks to plug them into their networks and print directly. Doing so allows immediate, on-the-fly conversion from a raw file, through the ProPhoto RGB working color space, to the exact printer/paper/ink profile in use. That is the FINEST printing system available, provided the image is adjusted on a fully calibrated monitor (see below). Such a workflow is 16-bits, too (although 12- or 14-bits at the camera). That greatly improves subtlety of color reproduction.

JPEG files prepared for the Internet ALWAYS should be saved in sRGB color space, because 99% of users do not have monitors capable of displaying much more than sRGB.

Whatever profile you use, if you adjust your images and save JPEGs, you should use a FULLY calibrated and custom-profiled monitor capable of displaying the output color space of choice. NO monitor can display typical working space profiles like ProPhoto RGB, or the color range of a 16-bit high end inkjet printer driver. A few can display a bit more color gamut than Adobe RGB. Even more can display 99% of Adobe RGB. But the vast majority are 8-bit monitors that display only sRGB — and only when properly calibrated and custom profiled.

Proper monitor calibration and custom profiling REQUIRES a hardware device (colorimeter or spectrophotometer), and the software designed to work with it. I can't stress enough what a HUGE difference proper calibration and profiling can make in your workflow. USING a calibration kit does require reading ALL the instructions and directions, and probably requires more than a few passes to get the monitor brightness tuned properly. But once set, what you see on the monitor is extremely close to what you get from the printer.
If I'm recording JPEGs at the camera for a client ... (show quote)


Excellent reply; spot-on!

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Jun 17, 2018 06:17:00   #
Feiertag Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
JD750 wrote:
When where? In retouching? In the camera?
In the "Color Space" section, Busch stated that his preference is Adobe RGB (in camera).

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Jun 17, 2018 06:18:32   #
Feiertag Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
Thanks to everyone for the informative comments.

Harold

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Jun 17, 2018 06:55:16   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
burkphoto wrote:
If I'm recording JPEGs at the camera for a client who wants Adobe RGB, the client will get original files in Adobe RGB. Otherwise, they will get JPEGs in sRGB.

If I'm converting to JPEGs from raw files in post-production, the output can similarly be Adobe RGB or sRGB.

When recording raw files, it does not matter what the profile setting is at the camera! The appropriate raw profile will be used in post-production to convert the data to the working color space I've chosen, and then from the working color space to the output color space. (That said, my default profile for JPEGs is sRGB, and it gets changed ONLY if the client needs Adobe RGB.)

SOME graphic arts houses prefer Adobe RGB from photographers, because they are used to getting crappy color from photographers who adjust images without calibrating their monitors. Adobe RGB gives them a smidge more ability to adjust it from an original JPEG. (But it's less than they think!)

MOST photo labs printing to silver halide paper (conventional wet process) prefer to receive all files as sRGB. Such photo labs don't accept raw files, and some require you to TELL THEM if you use Adobe RGB, so they can interpret your files correctly. That is because they STRIP OFF the metadata and embedded sRGB profiles when importing files to their servers.

HIGH END service bureaus with top notch inkjet printers from Epson or Canon sometimes allow clients with laptops or notebooks to plug them into their networks and print directly. Doing so allows immediate, on-the-fly conversion from a raw file, through the ProPhoto RGB working color space, to the exact printer/paper/ink profile in use. That is the FINEST printing system available, provided the image is adjusted on a fully calibrated monitor (see below). Such a workflow is 16-bits, too (although 12- or 14-bits at the camera). That greatly improves subtlety of color reproduction.

JPEG files prepared for the Internet ALWAYS should be saved in sRGB color space, because 99% of users do not have monitors capable of displaying much more than sRGB.

Whatever profile you use, if you adjust your images and save JPEGs, you should use a FULLY calibrated and custom-profiled monitor capable of displaying the output color space of choice. NO monitor can display typical working space profiles like ProPhoto RGB, or the color range of a 16-bit high end inkjet printer driver. A few can display a bit more color gamut than Adobe RGB. Even more can display 99% of Adobe RGB. But the vast majority are 8-bit monitors that display only sRGB — and only when properly calibrated and custom profiled.

Proper monitor calibration and custom profiling REQUIRES a hardware device (colorimeter or spectrophotometer), and the software designed to work with it. I can't stress enough what a HUGE difference proper calibration and profiling can make in your workflow. USING a calibration kit does require reading ALL the instructions and directions, and probably requires more than a few passes to get the monitor brightness tuned properly. But once set, what you see on the monitor is extremely close to what you get from the printer.
If I'm recording JPEGs at the camera for a client ... (show quote)

Thanks

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Jun 17, 2018 07:20:50   #
jeryh Loc: Oxfordshire UK
 
RGB1998; always have. Don't like srgb !

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Jun 17, 2018 07:30:52   #
Feiertag Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
jeryh wrote:
RGB1998; always have. Don't like srgb !
Is there a reason that you dislike sRGB?

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Jun 17, 2018 07:34:54   #
Feiertag Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
One more question if I may? If you shot the same subject in Adobe RGB and in sRGB, what is the difference between the two when you view them? One more vibrant or warmer, etc.?

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Jun 17, 2018 07:39:10   #
mborn Loc: Massachusetts
 
Feiertag wrote:
One more question if I may? If you shot the same subject in Adobe RGB and in sRGB, what is the difference between the two when you view them? One more vibrant or warmer, etc.?


sRGB smaller color space

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Jun 17, 2018 07:41:10   #
jeryh Loc: Oxfordshire UK
 
When I worked for a magazine, srgb was absolutely taboo; we were given strict instruction from the photo editor regarding this. Generally in the uk nearly everyone uses RGB for larger gamut.

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Jun 17, 2018 07:44:05   #
jeryh Loc: Oxfordshire UK
 
I think it depends on your perception of color; Personally, I think the actual color of an RGB file is more intense, but This is only my perception, others might vary- that's what its all about !

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Jun 17, 2018 09:18:17   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
Straight sRGB for me. I will not give you a lengthy explanation of why but sRGB has ALL the colors I need and my eyes cannot see them all. Working straight with sRGB I do not have to make conversions eliminating possible color shifts and artifacts.

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Jun 17, 2018 09:29:51   #
Nalu Loc: Southern Arizona
 
Appreciate this discussion. I am definitely no pro and not very good with color, but if I post on the web, I want the viewer to see the best image possible. But on the other hand, when shooting I would prefer to have a color profile that will give me the best print possible as the ultimate goal. So for me the message is, shoot Adobe RGB and if web posting make the make the conversion to "s". I guess my question would be when? I shoot Canon and make my initial conversions from RAW in DPP4. In DPP4 there are preferences settings that allow the switch from AdobeRGB to sRGB in the raw conversion process. Would one do it there? Or, would you make the conversion in Photoshop after editing. Does it make a difference?

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

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Jun 17, 2018 09:50:25   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Feiertag wrote:
One more question if I may? If you shot the same subject in Adobe RGB and in sRGB, what is the difference between the two when you view them? One more vibrant or warmer, etc.?


Most of the difference is in extra saturation of deep blues and greens, and slightly more accurate oranges and yellows.

Again, to take visible advantage of it, your monitor must be capable of displaying it, or your printer must be capable of printing it. Otherwise, convert it to sRGB for use, so it doesn’t confuse the end user with a dull, flat, bluish-green mess when they ASSUME the image is sRGB (or they aren’t using a fully color-managed system).

Arguably, if you need what Adobe RGB promises, capturing raw files and converting them later may be the better option.

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Jun 17, 2018 10:15:16   #
sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri
 
I've followed burkphoto's posts for quite some time now and I have found him to be one of the most informed fellows I've read regarding processing of images and he explains it in a way that I can understand. His explanation of the differences between the two leads me to believe that sRGB is the most appropriate format for JEPG processing with few exceptions.

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Jun 17, 2018 10:15:48   #
Ted d Loc: Green Valley, AZ.
 
Prophoto.

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