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Jun 16, 2018 16:40:26   #
Feiertag Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
I'm reading a book by David Busch regarding the Nikon D850, which is a so so book. He favours Adobe RGB over sRGB. Which one do you prefer to use?

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Jun 16, 2018 16:54:14   #
MT Shooter Loc: Montana
 
Feiertag wrote:
I'm reading a book by David Busch regarding the Nikon D850, which is a so so book. He favours Adobe RGB over sRGB. Which one do you prefer to use?


I have used Adobe RGB exclusively for over 10 years now, better color range and palette.

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Jun 16, 2018 16:58:18   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Sending JPEGS to a print service or a friend, and my own use, and posting on-line, I use sRGB.

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Jun 16, 2018 16:58:31   #
Feiertag Loc: British Columbia, Canada
 
MT Shooter wrote:
I have used Adobe RGB exclusively for over 10 years now, better color range and palette.
Thank you for your reply. I will be switching over to Adobe RGB.

I'm now wondering way anyone would stick with sRGB, if Adobe RGB is supreme?

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Jun 16, 2018 17:02:24   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Feiertag wrote:
Thank you for your reply. I will be switching over to Adobe RGB.

I'm now wondering way anyone would stick with sRGB, if Adobe RGB is supreme?


From my understanding, sRGB is more commonly processed by print services, unless they are changing.

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Jun 16, 2018 17:13:20   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Here is a short article that gives the pros and cons of each color space.

https://fstoppers.com/pictures/adobergb-vs-srgb-3167
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Jun 16, 2018 17:14:07   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Feiertag wrote:
I'm reading a book by David Busch regarding the Nikon D850, which is a so so book. He favours Adobe RGB over sRGB. Which one do you prefer to use?


If I'm recording JPEGs at the camera for a client who wants Adobe RGB, the client will get original files in Adobe RGB. Otherwise, they will get JPEGs in sRGB.

If I'm converting to JPEGs from raw files in post-production, the output can similarly be Adobe RGB or sRGB.

When recording raw files, it does not matter what the profile setting is at the camera! The appropriate raw profile will be used in post-production to convert the data to the working color space I've chosen, and then from the working color space to the output color space. (That said, my default profile for JPEGs is sRGB, and it gets changed ONLY if the client needs Adobe RGB.)

SOME graphic arts houses prefer Adobe RGB from photographers, because they are used to getting crappy color from photographers who adjust images without calibrating their monitors. Adobe RGB gives them a smidge more ability to adjust it from an original JPEG. (But it's less than they think!)

MOST photo labs printing to silver halide paper (conventional wet process) prefer to receive all files as sRGB. Such photo labs don't accept raw files, and some require you to TELL THEM if you use Adobe RGB, so they can interpret your files correctly. That is because they STRIP OFF the metadata and embedded sRGB profiles when importing files to their servers.

HIGH END service bureaus with top notch inkjet printers from Epson or Canon sometimes allow clients with laptops or notebooks to plug them into their networks and print directly. Doing so allows immediate, on-the-fly conversion from a raw file, through the ProPhoto RGB working color space, to the exact printer/paper/ink profile in use. That is the FINEST printing system available, provided the image is adjusted on a fully calibrated monitor (see below). Such a workflow is 16-bits, too (although 12- or 14-bits at the camera). That greatly improves subtlety of color reproduction.

JPEG files prepared for the Internet ALWAYS should be saved in sRGB color space, because 99% of users do not have monitors capable of displaying much more than sRGB.

Whatever profile you use, if you adjust your images and save JPEGs, you should use a FULLY calibrated and custom-profiled monitor capable of displaying the output color space of choice. NO monitor can display typical working space profiles like ProPhoto RGB, or the color range of a 16-bit high end inkjet printer driver. A few can display a bit more color gamut than Adobe RGB. Even more can display 99% of Adobe RGB. But the vast majority are 8-bit monitors that display only sRGB — and only when properly calibrated and custom profiled.

Proper monitor calibration and custom profiling REQUIRES a hardware device (colorimeter or spectrophotometer), and the software designed to work with it. I can't stress enough what a HUGE difference proper calibration and profiling can make in your workflow. USING a calibration kit does require reading ALL the instructions and directions, and probably requires more than a few passes to get the monitor brightness tuned properly. But once set, what you see on the monitor is extremely close to what you get from the printer.

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Jun 16, 2018 17:28:26   #
Charlie'smom
 
Bill_de wrote:
Here is a short article that gives the pros and cons of each color space.

https://fstoppers.com/pictures/adobergb-vs-srgb-3167
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Wonderful article! Thank you. I needed that.

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Jun 16, 2018 17:32:20   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Thanks burkphoto for posting the article!

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Jun 16, 2018 17:33:49   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
My cameras are set to Adobe RGB and have been since day one for each. As part of the last step in my processing, I'll convert to sRGB for posting and printing.
--Bob
Feiertag wrote:
I'm reading a book by David Busch regarding the Nikon D850, which is a so so book. He favours Adobe RGB over sRGB. Which one do you prefer to use?

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Jun 16, 2018 17:58:23   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
Feiertag wrote:
Thank you for your reply. I will be switching over to Adobe RGB.

I'm now wondering way anyone would stick with sRGB, if Adobe RGB is supreme?


Because if you use external labs, like Bay or Mpix, they require sRGB color space. If you are only going to view images on a screen or tablet, it makes zero difference.

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Jun 16, 2018 19:45:17   #
AndyH Loc: Massachusetts and New Hampshire
 
rgrenaderphoto wrote:
Because if you use external labs, like Bay or Mpix, they require sRGB color space. If you are only going to view images on a screen or tablet, it makes zero difference.


With LightRoom and Photoshop, it's pretty easy to convert from Adobe color space for export, but you can't go the other way. My local printer can print from aRGB as well. It's the automatic web conversions from aRGB that generally look awful, no?

Andy

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Jun 16, 2018 20:27:30   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
Feiertag wrote:
I'm reading a book by David Busch regarding the Nikon D850, which is a so so book. He favours Adobe RGB over sRGB. Which one do you prefer to use?


I shoot raw, so it doesn't matter what the camera is set for. I process the raw files in Lightroom, and export psd files to Photoshop as ProPhoto, which has a gamut similar to Lightroom's develop module.

If you have to shoot 8 bit jpeg, then AdobeRGB is a little more flexible for post processing, and you are less likely to clip a color channel or end up with banding or posterization or suffer missing colors from device dependent gamut mismatches. I haven't shot jpeg since 2006, when I decided that in the interest of extracting all the image quality of my camera, it was better (and easier) to do the raw conversion myself, rather than let the camera do it.

I always convert down to sRGB for output purposes, unless I am printing to my own equipment which can handle AdobeRGB.

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Jun 17, 2018 00:20:17   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Feiertag wrote:
I'm reading a book by David Busch regarding the Nikon D850, which is a so so book. He favours Adobe RGB over sRGB. Which one do you prefer to use?


When where? In retouching? In the camera?

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Jun 17, 2018 01:12:04   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Feiertag wrote:
Thank you for your reply. I will be switching over to Adobe RGB.

I'm now wondering way anyone would stick with sRGB, if Adobe RGB is supreme?

sRGB is the commercial standard.

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