Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Trump can’t pardon anything but a federal crime. Even if he passes pardons around, he can’t pardon everything.

I have complete faith in Mueller that truth will out—at least enough to show us the demonsions of what is going on.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

The June meeting that Don jr scheduled with Russian agents to accept ‘dirt’ on Hillary in exchange for discussion of sanctions, is collusion.

Almost 25 secret meetings between trump campaign and Russian agents, mostly before inauguration is collusion.

There’s more, much more, but whether or which of these rises to criminal conspiracy, we have yet to learn.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Elaine, you suffer from the ‘don’t read the post, but fight it anyway,’ syndrome. The same applies to the man to whom I posted.

I finally gave up on him as he kept arguing exactly the idea I advanced in the post. He couldn’t possibly have read the post, just as you haven’t.

Not only did I state the collusion was not a crime, and that we would have to see whether it rose to criminal conspiracy, and he and you both reply that collusion is not a crime, only criminal conspiracy is a crime.

Then I stated that much as the campaign did, we don’t know whether trump personally was involved, now you reply, asking me for proof that trump colluded with the Russians.

There’s no intelligent discussion with either of you .

(I was hoping you’d block me...please.)

Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa

You are the moron who said conspiring to kill Jeff Sessions was not a crime. I merely pointed out your stupidity. You ignore that and blather that we didn’t read your post. You deduce we didn’t read it because we think you are full of crap. Every day you regurgitate the same crap, knowing nothing but what you think is the truth. Read your whole post bonehead, not the parts you decide to cherry pick. You are clueless. Just shut up and wait for the investigation to be finished.

boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander

I can "collude with friends to rob a bank. plan the theft, buy the gear to rob that bank, but unless that plan is carried out there is no conspiricy as planning a robbery is Not a robbery and therefore not a crime. It is certainly suspicious activity, and may require investigation, but if no crime is committed, no conspiracy.

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Elaine, you take my breath away. Is there no such thing as honesty within you?

I absolutely Did Not say conspiring to kill Jeff Sessions was not a crime. I absolutely did not say that. I said just the opposite.

Conspiracy is a crime, and planning to kill Jeff Sessions (as an example) is absolutely a crime, as I said it was in the post.

Your are dishonest or lack basic understanding of what you read to a truly profound level.

Have you any honesty at all?

Do you have a reading comprehension beyond the second grade level?

I invite all Hoggs to read this entire thread to see for themselves what must be an absolute low in the history of the site!!

I deal with a duo entirely without basic reading skills, or dishonest to a degree that causes me serious alarm. Read it yourself, see for yourself, satisfy your down mind and be amazed.

Or frightened.

Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa

You are off topic. Tard said conspiring to kill Jeff Sessions was not a crime. I pointed out the stupidity of that statement. Conspiracy to commit murder is a crime and you go to jail. Why are you talking about robbery?

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

Wrongo, buddy, Absoluely Wrong, Incorrect, In Error, And Just Not The Case!

A criminal conspiracy exists when two or more people agree to commit almost any unlawful act, then take some action toward its completion. The action taken need not itself be a crime, but it must indicate that those involved in the conspiracy knew of the plan and intended to break the law. One person may be charged with and convicted of both conspiracy and the underlying crime based on the same circumstances.

For example, Andy, Dan, and Alice plan a bank robbery. They 1) visit the bank first to assess security, 2) pool their money and buy a gun together, and 3) write a demand letter. All three can be charged with conspiracy to commit robbery, regardless of whether the robbery itself is actually attempted or completed.

https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/conspiracy.html




Conspiracy is the term for a broad category of crimes involving multiple actors coming together to engage in criminal activity. Specific federal anti-conspiracy statutes are found throughout federal law. State statutes also contain anti-conspiracy laws.  Criminal conspiracy is a felony, even when the crime planned and carried out is a misdemeanor.
In recent years, a growing number of white collar criminal prosecutions have included allegations of conspiracy. A person or business generally is guilty of conspiracy to commit a crime if that person or business does one of the following:

with the purpose of facilitating or promoting its commission, agrees with another person or business to engage in conduct that constitutes a crime or an attempt or solicitation of a crime; or

agrees to aid another person or business in planning, committing, or attempting to solicit a crime.


https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/criminal-conspiracy-lawyers.html

Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa

[quote=Twardlow]Wrongo, buddy, Absoluely Wrong, Incorrect, In Error, And Just Not The Case!

A criminal conspiracy exists when two or more people agree to commit almost any unlawful act, then take some action toward its completion. The action taken need not itself be a crime, but it must indicate that those involved in the conspiracy knew of the plan and intended to break the law. One person may be charged with and convicted of both conspiracy and the underlying crime based on the same circumstances.

For example, Andy, Dan, and Alice plan a bank robbery. They 1) visit the bank first to assess security, 2) pool their money and buy a gun together, and 3) write a demand letter. All three can be charged with conspiracy to commit robbery, regardless of whether the robbery itself is actually attempted or completed.

https://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-charges/conspiracy.html




Conspiracy is the term for a broad category of crimes involving multiple actors coming together to engage in criminal activity. Specific federal anti-conspiracy statutes are found throughout federal law. State statutes also contain anti-conspiracy laws.  Criminal conspiracy is a felony, even when the crime planned and carried out is a misdemeanor.
In recent years, a growing number of white collar criminal prosecutions have included allegations of conspiracy. A person or business generally is guilty of conspiracy to commit a crime if that person or business does one of the following:

with the purpose of facilitating or promoting its commission, agrees with another person or business to engage in conduct that constitutes a crime or an attempt or solicitation of a crime; or

agrees to aid another person or business in planning, committing, or attempting to solicit a crime.


https://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/criminal-conspiracy-lawyers.html[/quote

OMG, I misread you previous post and misunderstood what you were saying.. My apologies. ]

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

[quote=Elaine2025]

Thank you for your clarification. You are perfectly honest and informed after all, and I am happy that is the case.

foathog Loc: Greensboro, NC

how about their influence in social media in which their Trolls place false posts? What is Trump doing about these influences (including what you mentioned)? nothing.

Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal

Actually, accepting anything of value from a foreign source for an election is a crime. I have posted the link to the actual statute here several times.

"Collusion" is a term of art. The actual crime is accepting anything of value--you know, like getting dirt on a political opponent.

Weren't you disturbed when, during the campaign that Trump actually suborned criminal activity by Russian hackers to leak all of the emails only for Trump's own political benefit? You yourself said that hacking should not be allowed.

A man who publicly calls on criminals to help his campaign is, paraphrasing Jefferson's famous words about King George, "is unfit to be the ruler of a free people."

And that was long BEFORE Mueller's witch hunt started bagging actual witches.

incognito

ummm Dahh Golly Gee let me see. The only one so far not being prosecuted under a federal crime is Cohen with his dealings and failure to pay state taxes.

Elaine2025 Loc: Seattle, Wa

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OMG. We agreed on something......that I was in error. Good way to start the day.👍

Twardlow Loc: Arkansas

ummm Dahh Golly Gee let me see. You don’t know that at all, really, do you?

Many of the issues, money laundering and banking violations, violate federal laws sometimes and state laws, too.

Many of those possibly involved haven’t even been charged yet.

The point is, the threat of a trump pardon is only partially true, and, once the felon accepts a pardon (an admission of guilt) he escapes his fifth amendment vulnerability, and can be compelled to testify.