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Why did Canon quit putting viewfinder shutters on their cameras?
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May 26, 2018 17:08:05   #
BartHx
 
PhotosBySteve wrote:
It most certainly can be a problem with an SLR or a DSLR. Any light that enters the camera body can bounce around and hit the film or sensor creating light flare. That is why camera manufactures use to provide shutters on SLR's and most provide a rubber boot for DSLR's. Mirroless are not subject to this problem since the viewfinder is electronic and not by way a pentaprism.
It is generally not evident in many situations where the light coming from behind the camera is less than in front. However it will soften the image or cause light flare.
It most certainly can be a problem with an SLR or ... (show quote)


How does the light get past the mirror which, when the photo is being taken, is closed over the viewfinder on the side facing the interior of the camera body? I would think, if it was a serious problem, Hasselblad and Mamiya might have come up with a way of dealing with it in their medium format cameras when using a waist level finder. I use both and have never had a problem with stray light entering the camera even when working in direct sunlight. If you limit yourself to one of the auto modes and your meter is in your pentaprism, it could effect the exposure. That's one of the many reasons I prefer manual mode on a tripod. However, if your camera is decently designed, built, and maintained the cushion the mirror flips up against should also provide an adequate light seal. The exposure does not start until the mirror has been flipped up out of the way. If you have an instant return mirror, it does not move back down until the exposure is finished. A waist level, medium format finder leaves a whole lot more unprotected surface than would any pentaprism viewfinder. There is no way you can get a light tight seal between your eye and the viewfinder so, if light leakage is a problem in your camera, the problem will exist even when you are looking through the finder. I can't imagine a serious camera manufacturer settling for softer images and flare when an effective mirror seal is so inexpensive and easy to include.

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May 26, 2018 17:13:07   #
hawleyrw Loc: Dayton, OH
 
Agreed

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May 26, 2018 17:14:32   #
PhotosBySteve
 
BartHx wrote:
How does the light get past the mirror which, when the photo is being taken, is closed over the viewfinder on the side facing the interior of the camera body? I would think, if it was a serious problem, Hasselblad and Mamiya might have come up with a way of dealing with it in their medium format cameras when using a waist level finder. I use both and have never had a problem with stray light entering the camera even when working in direct sunlight. If you limit yourself to one of the auto modes and your meter is in your pentaprism, it could effect the exposure. That's one of the many reasons I prefer manual mode on a tripod. However, if your camera is decently designed, built, and maintained the cushion the mirror flips up against should also provide an adequate light seal. The exposure does not start until the mirror has been flipped up out of the way. If you have an instant return mirror, it does not move back down until the exposure is finished. A waist level, medium format finder leaves a whole lot more unprotected surface than would any pentaprism viewfinder. There is no way you can get a light tight seal between your eye and the viewfinder so, if light leakage is a problem in your camera, the problem will exist even when you are looking through the finder. I can't imagine a serious camera manufacturer settling for softer images and flare when an effective mirror seal is so inexpensive and easy to include.
How does the light get past the mirror which, when... (show quote)


You should address your expertise with the camera manufactures, apparently they don't have your insight.
Not that it has anything to do with this issue in the least, i also ALWAYS shoot manual mode.

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May 26, 2018 17:34:39   #
BebuLamar
 
hawleyrw wrote:
I Don’t miss it in my newer, more expensive cameras. Myself, I never understood why it was really there. I was always told it was (there like the other said) to prevent excess light from coming in through the viewfinder when you’re Eye wasn’t up to it. Personally, I thought that was part of what the mirror was for as you click the shutter, it would pull up out of the way and block any light from coming through the viewfinder onto the film exposure area. Who knows.


The primary purpose of the shutter blind is to prevent stray light entering the viewfinder and causes incorrect reading of the meter when in auto mode. If when you use your camera on tripod and in auto mode you need to use it.

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May 26, 2018 17:37:49   #
BartHx
 
PhotosBySteve wrote:
You should address your expertise with the camera manufactures, apparently they don't have your insight.
Not that it has anything to do with this issue in the least, i also ALWAYS shoot manual mode.


If you read my previously reply carefully, you may be able to find where I pointed out that those who shoot on a tripod in any auto mode while not looking through the finder might find a cover to be useful to keep the exposure reasonable. It has nothing to do with image softness or flare. I expect that my Nikon FA has a built in viewfinder shutter because it was the first time a built in meter was used which did anything other than straight averaging and they were not sure what to expect in general use. If I were a camera manufacturer and could convince people that my camera was incrementally better by including a two cent piece of plastic, you can be sure I would do just that.

If any of your SLRs or DSLRs has a problem with light leaking around the reflex mirror while making an exposure, it's time to get it repaired.

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May 26, 2018 17:44:21   #
BebuLamar
 
BartHx wrote:
If you read my previously reply carefully, you may be able to find where I pointed out that those who shoot on a tripod in any auto mode while not looking through the finder might find a cover to be useful to keep the exposure reasonable. It has nothing to do with image softness or flare. I expect that my Nikon FA has a built in viewfinder shutter because it was the first time a built in meter was used which did anything other than straight averaging and they were not sure what to expect in general use. If I were a camera manufacturer and could convince people that my camera was incrementally better by including a two cent piece of plastic, you can be sure I would do just that.

If any of your SLRs or DSLRs has a problem with light leaking around the reflex mirror while making an exposure, it's time to get it repaired.
If you read my previously reply carefully, you may... (show quote)


Nikon didn't put the blind in the less expensive FE but they did put it in the F2SB and F2AS and the F3 that don't have matrix metering. The F2 while a manual camera but the S, SB and AS version can be made into a shutter priority camera with the addition of the EE unit.

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May 26, 2018 17:47:58   #
BartHx
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Nikon didn't put the blind in the less expensive FE but they did put it in the F2SB and F2AS and the F3 that don't have matrix metering. The F2 while a manual camera but the S, SB and AS version can be made into a shutter priority camera with the addition of the EE unit.


Good information. Thanks.

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May 26, 2018 19:54:11   #
pbradin Loc: Florida
 
I am sure they discontinued it because of costs and because most people don't bother to use it. Most people don't use the rubber viewfinder cover either. I usually use a black washcloth laid over the top of the camera to keep stray light from darkening shots when I shoot from a tripod, or sometimes I will just gently put my thumb up there to block the light. I always have my thumb "handy" (that was really bad, I know).

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May 27, 2018 21:29:09   #
WiscJim Loc: Dousman, WI
 
I use a little strap of electrical tape after I lost my eyepiece cover.

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