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May 12, 2018 11:56:19   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
This is not about which is the better system at the moment, they each have some pluses and minuses. However I do think mirrorless is the future.

I'm a dyed in the wool Nikon shooter but I tried most of the other brands. Past Olympus and Panasonic use has wet my appetite for some of the features of ML, which I won't go into now. I'd be using one now if it wasn't for the excellent Nikon IQ and my selection of F mount lenses.

I have been patiently waiting for a ML Nikon and got excited about the news of an upcoming Nikon ML camera...but then reality set in. I have the greatest respect for Nikon engineering but what is the likelihood of knocking it out of the park with their first FF ML release...not very likely. After all Canon with all its resources hasn't done such a great job with their ML attempt.

Sony is a huge company with far more resources than Nikon. They have made phonemical progress in recent years and currently are the undisputed leaders in 35mm FF ML cameras. Sony's A7 III, A7RIII and A9 are game changers...and based on past performance they won't be resting on their laurels.

I've been looking at recent reviews of Nikon to Sony smart adaptors and though not without short comings they seem to work. So I have decided to stick my toe in the ML water and ordered an adaptor along with a A6300 camera. I chose this camera partially because of cost with lens so if the adaptor doesn't work out I can still use the combination as a pocket camera.

If this works out I will be gradually making the transition.

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May 12, 2018 11:58:23   #
rgrenaderphoto Loc: Hollywood, CA
 
Look on Matt Granger's YouTube channel for several recent videos on this subject.

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May 12, 2018 12:00:44   #
PixelStan77 Loc: Vermont/Chicago
 
joer wrote:
This is not about which is the better system at the moment, they each have some pluses and minuses. However I do think mirrorless is the future.

I'm a dyed in the wool Nikon shooter but I tried most of the other brands. Past Olympus and Panasonic use has wet my appetite for some of the features of ML, which I won't go into now. I'd be using one now if it wasn't for the excellent Nikon IQ and my selection of F mount lenses.

I have been patiently waiting for a ML Nikon and got excited about the news of an upcoming Nikon ML camera...but then reality set in. I have the greatest respect for Nikon engineering but what is the likelihood of knocking it out of the park with their first FF ML release...not very likely. After all Canon with all its resources hasn't done such a great job with their ML attempt.

Sony is a huge company with far more resources than Nikon. They have made phonemical progress in recent years and currently are the undisputed leaders in 35mm FF ML cameras. Sony's A7 III, A7RIII and A9 are game changers...and based on past performance they won't be resting on their laurels.

I've been looking at recent reviews of Nikon to Sony smart adaptors and though not without short comings they seem to work. So I have decided to stick my toe in the ML water and ordered an adaptor along with a A6300 camera. I chose this camera partially because of cost with lens so if the adaptor doesn't work out I can still use the combination as a pocket camera.

If this works out I will be gradually making the transition.
This is not about which is the better system at th... (show quote)
For me the issue will be if Nikon will allow me to use all my lenses from my FX and DX collection, or do I need different lenses.

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May 12, 2018 12:25:44   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Mine is not a "scientific" comparison, but I've just added an A7II to the arsenal. I'm using old Canon FD lenses on the Sony body. The images are great, but not anything that would cause me to drop my Canon EOS system and change to Sony. I like the smaller footprint of the Sony body. The FD lenses are smaller too than the corresponding EF models. But, the weight is equivalent for each of the combined bodies and lenses. The in-body stabilization and focus peeking in the EVF re-enables these FD lenses that had been gathering dust. Again, great features, but not game changers to switch systems over.

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May 12, 2018 12:42:34   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
I too am looking forward to Nikon's upcoming Mirrorless release. Although I anticipate a very nice system at release, I would expect it to take a few generations to be a 'WOW'. Nonetheless, I expect I will purchase one of the initial release systems if it is at least viable. I have no expectations that any ML system will replace FF DSLRs in the near future, especially for my work, sports action. There is nothing out there at present that even comes close for my type of work. Along with the OP, I guess time will tell. Best of luck.

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May 12, 2018 12:56:06   #
davyboy Loc: Anoka Mn.
 
joer wrote:
This is not about which is the better system at the moment, they each have some pluses and minuses. However I do think mirrorless is the future.

I'm a dyed in the wool Nikon shooter but I tried most of the other brands. Past Olympus and Panasonic use has wet my appetite for some of the features of ML, which I won't go into now. I'd be using one now if it wasn't for the excellent Nikon IQ and my selection of F mount lenses.

I have been patiently waiting for a ML Nikon and got excited about the news of an upcoming Nikon ML camera...but then reality set in. I have the greatest respect for Nikon engineering but what is the likelihood of knocking it out of the park with their first FF ML release...not very likely. After all Canon with all its resources hasn't done such a great job with their ML attempt.

Sony is a huge company with far more resources than Nikon. They have made phonemical progress in recent years and currently are the undisputed leaders in 35mm FF ML cameras. Sony's A7 III, A7RIII and A9 are game changers...and based on past performance they won't be resting on their laurels.

I've been looking at recent reviews of Nikon to Sony smart adaptors and though not without short comings they seem to work. So I have decided to stick my toe in the ML water and ordered an adaptor along with a A6300 camera. I chose this camera partially because of cost with lens so if the adaptor doesn't work out I can still use the combination as a pocket camera.

If this works out I will be gradually making the transition.
This is not about which is the better system at th... (show quote)

Just for shit and giggles check out Panasonic’s new pro level G9 it to is a game changer! It’s a speed demon with dual card slots 20 megs fastest focus around I believe to much to mention here $1700 body

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May 12, 2018 13:29:32   #
cjc2 Loc: Hellertown PA
 
davyboy wrote:
Just for shit and giggles check out Panasonic’s new pro level G9 it to is a game changer! It’s a speed demon with dual card slots 20 megs fastest focus around I believe to much to mention here $1700 body


The issue with any ML system, at this time, is the limited choice of optics available. No 400/2.8, 500/4 or 600/4 as an example. When these new systems are 'built out' there will be a different story to tell. Personally, I'm expecting Nikon to announce a new lens mount concurrently with their new ML body which I will also embrace. Best of luck.

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May 12, 2018 14:42:22   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
cjc2 wrote:
The issue with any ML system, at this time, is the limited choice of optics available. No 400/2.8, 500/4 or 600/4 as an example. When these new systems are 'built out' there will be a different story to tell. Personally, I'm expecting Nikon to announce a new lens mount concurrently with their new ML body which I will also embrace. Best of luck.


If they don’t release a new mount with the ML body, then they shouldn’t bother. The ML body design creates an opportunity with respect to lens design. Nikon had better not mess it up. If they go with the old F-Mount, they’ll shoot themselves in the foot.

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May 12, 2018 15:00:23   #
BebuLamar
 
joer wrote:
This is not about which is the better system at the moment, they each have some pluses and minuses. However I do think mirrorless is the future.

I'm a dyed in the wool Nikon shooter but I tried most of the other brands. Past Olympus and Panasonic use has wet my appetite for some of the features of ML, which I won't go into now. I'd be using one now if it wasn't for the excellent Nikon IQ and my selection of F mount lenses.

I have been patiently waiting for a ML Nikon and got excited about the news of an upcoming Nikon ML camera...but then reality set in. I have the greatest respect for Nikon engineering but what is the likelihood of knocking it out of the park with their first FF ML release...not very likely. After all Canon with all its resources hasn't done such a great job with their ML attempt.

Sony is a huge company with far more resources than Nikon. They have made phonemical progress in recent years and currently are the undisputed leaders in 35mm FF ML cameras. Sony's A7 III, A7RIII and A9 are game changers...and based on past performance they won't be resting on their laurels.

I've been looking at recent reviews of Nikon to Sony smart adaptors and though not without short comings they seem to work. So I have decided to stick my toe in the ML water and ordered an adaptor along with a A6300 camera. I chose this camera partially because of cost with lens so if the adaptor doesn't work out I can still use the combination as a pocket camera.

If this works out I will be gradually making the transition.
This is not about which is the better system at th... (show quote)


Although I won't go the ML way I am hoping that Nikon will come out with a new ML system that can compete well with the Sony. The new Nikon ML system won't take F mount lenses natively and that I am sure. I think Nikon will have adapter for F mount lenses but how far down the F mount it will support I wouldn't know. At least I think it would support all features of the E type lenses.
I would hope that Nikon new Z mount lenses have the aperture ring like those on the Fuji.

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May 12, 2018 15:28:21   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Mine is not a "scientific" comparison, but I've just added an A7II to the arsenal. I'm using old Canon FD lenses on the Sony body. The images are great, but not anything that would cause me to drop my Canon EOS system and change to Sony. I like the smaller footprint of the Sony body. The FD lenses are smaller too than the corresponding EF models. But, the weight is equivalent for each of the combined bodies and lenses. The in-body stabilization and focus peeking in the EVF re-enables these FD lenses that had been gathering dust. Again, great features, but not game changers to switch systems over.
Mine is not a "scientific" comparison, b... (show quote)


When I put my 300 2.8 Canon on a crop frame Sony and used the 2X clear image zoom and EVF - THAT was a game changer for me. Now I use Sigma 100-300 f4 with the CIZ on the A77II @ 12 FPS if need be. The down side is the AF is not up to Canon standards.

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May 12, 2018 17:59:02   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
Nikon Rumors had some interesting info regarding an adapter that will support a/f going back to 'D' lenses.

https://nikonrumors.com/2017/09/03/lets-start-talking-about-the-upcoming-nikon-mirrorless-camera.aspx/

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May 12, 2018 21:16:35   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
joer wrote:
This is not about which is the better system at the moment, they each have some pluses and minuses. However I do think mirrorless is the future.

I'm a dyed in the wool Nikon shooter but I tried most of the other brands. Past Olympus and Panasonic use has wet my appetite for some of the features of ML, which I won't go into now. I'd be using one now if it wasn't for the excellent Nikon IQ and my selection of F mount lenses.

I have been patiently waiting for a ML Nikon and got excited about the news of an upcoming Nikon ML camera...but then reality set in. I have the greatest respect for Nikon engineering but what is the likelihood of knocking it out of the park with their first FF ML release...not very likely. After all Canon with all its resources hasn't done such a great job with their ML attempt.

Sony is a huge company with far more resources than Nikon. They have made phonemical progress in recent years and currently are the undisputed leaders in 35mm FF ML cameras. Sony's A7 III, A7RIII and A9 are game changers...and based on past performance they won't be resting on their laurels.

I've been looking at recent reviews of Nikon to Sony smart adaptors and though not without short comings they seem to work. So I have decided to stick my toe in the ML water and ordered an adaptor along with a A6300 camera. I chose this camera partially because of cost with lens so if the adaptor doesn't work out I can still use the combination as a pocket camera.
If this works out I will be gradually making the transition.
This is not about which is the better system at th... (show quote)


If I could do what I do 100% of the time and use a system that was half the size and half the weight I would start to move in that direction.
TOO MANY talk about all the camera systems they have? One for sports, one for travel, one for when they’re just fooling around?! When are people just fooling around?
I’m either getting paid or I’m trying to put a better shot in my portfolio to make it stronger!
If I thought today I was gonna not do serious photography I would leave my camera home.
To that end, I have two Canon bodies that use the same lenses. I need to be able to shoot from the fastest moving subjects to fashion.
I realize that ANY camera will do 90% or all the photography out there. I’m after that other 10%, not the first 90%!
And if I need my sensor cleaned or some other repair, I want to send my camera in today and get it back the day after tomorrow, or get another body just like it to use till mine comes back.
Mirrorless is mostly ready, if you shoot still subjects, but it’s that other 10% that’s keeping all the pros from switching.
I don’t care if Canon comes out with something that’s almost as good as what I’ve got, it’s still not as good! I has to be better for me to switch!!!
If all I did was landscape, I’d get rid of everything and just use my iPhone!!! LoL
SS

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May 13, 2018 05:32:12   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
joer wrote:
This is not about which is the better system at the moment, they each have some pluses and minuses. However I do think mirrorless is the future.

I'm a dyed in the wool Nikon shooter but I tried most of the other brands. Past Olympus and Panasonic use has wet my appetite for some of the features of ML, which I won't go into now. I'd be using one now if it wasn't for the excellent Nikon IQ and my selection of F mount lenses.

I have been patiently waiting for a ML Nikon and got excited about the news of an upcoming Nikon ML camera...but then reality set in. I have the greatest respect for Nikon engineering but what is the likelihood of knocking it out of the park with their first FF ML release...not very likely. After all Canon with all its resources hasn't done such a great job with their ML attempt.

Sony is a huge company with far more resources than Nikon. They have made phonemical progress in recent years and currently are the undisputed leaders in 35mm FF ML cameras. Sony's A7 III, A7RIII and A9 are game changers...and based on past performance they won't be resting on their laurels.

I've been looking at recent reviews of Nikon to Sony smart adaptors and though not without short comings they seem to work. So I have decided to stick my toe in the ML water and ordered an adaptor along with a A6300 camera. I chose this camera partially because of cost with lens so if the adaptor doesn't work out I can still use the combination as a pocket camera.

If this works out I will be gradually making the transition.
This is not about which is the better system at th... (show quote)


Pentax had a MILC a while back, it did not catch fire either.

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May 13, 2018 06:33:01   #
Jeffcs Loc: Myrtle Beach South Carolina
 
cjc2 wrote:
The issue with any ML system, at this time, is the limited choice of optics available. No 400/2.8, 500/4 or 600/4 as an example. When these new systems are 'built out' there will be a different story to tell. Personally, I'm expecting Nikon to announce a new lens mount concurrently with their new ML body which I will also embrace. Best of luck.

In case you haven’t noticed the Olympus OMDem1mk2 body is a masterpiece, oh you said no 600f4 Mu-43 system is focal length X2 so Olympus 300f4 is in terms of FF a 600f4 lens and is si so sharp I have sold my long Nikkor glass! I can hand hold this set up as in body and lens stabilization oh also have sold my heavy tripod with its gimbal head



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May 13, 2018 06:45:58   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
joer wrote:
This is not about which is the better system at the moment, they each have some pluses and minuses. However I do think mirrorless is the future.

I'm a dyed in the wool Nikon shooter but I tried most of the other brands. Past Olympus and Panasonic use has wet my appetite for some of the features of ML, which I won't go into now. I'd be using one now if it wasn't for the excellent Nikon IQ and my selection of F mount lenses.

I have been patiently waiting for a ML Nikon and got excited about the news of an upcoming Nikon ML camera...but then reality set in. I have the greatest respect for Nikon engineering but what is the likelihood of knocking it out of the park with their first FF ML release...not very likely. After all Canon with all its resources hasn't done such a great job with their ML attempt.

Sony is a huge company with far more resources than Nikon. They have made phonemical progress in recent years and currently are the undisputed leaders in 35mm FF ML cameras. Sony's A7 III, A7RIII and A9 are game changers...and based on past performance they won't be resting on their laurels.

I've been looking at recent reviews of Nikon to Sony smart adaptors and though not without short comings they seem to work. So I have decided to stick my toe in the ML water and ordered an adaptor along with a A6300 camera. I chose this camera partially because of cost with lens so if the adaptor doesn't work out I can still use the combination as a pocket camera.

If this works out I will be gradually making the transition.
This is not about which is the better system at th... (show quote)


I use mirrorless only when I need a compact body. As for Nikon getting it right with their first FF release, why not? They certainly know how to make cameras and lenses, and there are lots of ML cameras on the market for them to evaluate. I'm looking forward to their new model, but I'm not about to give up my D750..

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