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May 5, 2018 13:17:29   #
DonB Loc: Port Royal , Tn
 
Thruxton wrote:
Perhaps kd7eir you need to re-assess your own understanding of "American LAW". Here's a quick summary without all the exemptions.
Note point #6 in "Naturalization Eligibility Requirements" from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service page - Naturalization Eligibility Requirements:


Before an individual applies for naturalization, he or she must meet a few requirements. Depending on the individual’s situation, there are different requirements that may apply. General requirements for naturalization are below.

•Be at least 18 years old at the time of filing Form N-400, Application for Naturalization.


•Be a permanent resident (have a “Green Card”) for at least 5 years.


•Show that you have lived for at least 3 months in the state or USCIS district where you apply.


•Demonstrate continuous residence in the United States for at least 5 years immediately preceding the date of filing Form N-400.


•Show that you have been physically present in the United States for at least 30 months out of the 5 years immediately preceding the date of filing Form N-400.


•Be able to read, write, and speak basic English.


•Have a basic understanding of U.S. history and government (civics).


•Be a person of good moral character.


•Demonstrate an attachment to the principles and ideals of the U.S. Constitution
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I wonder how many of this years United States of America high school grads meet the last four of these requirements?

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May 5, 2018 13:18:27   #
JFCoupe Loc: Kent, Washington
 
Many of us have limited knowledge of the immigration history the United States and this leaves room for many interpretations of our history. As various European groups immigrated to the US, they typically had the lowest paid jobs and consequently lived in the lowest level housing areas in most of the large eastern cities. Those that moved to mid-western agricultural areas tended to move to communities with folks from the same 'old countries. In both cities and ag areas, these folks often maintained their first language and then as children went to school, English became better known and after a generation or two, the use of the first language declined in use. And even today, there are neighborhoods in large cities that are still recognized as Italian, German and Polish area, etc. In farming areas there are still towns that have ethnic components to them that are essential to their culture.

Also, when folks learn English as a second language as adults, the accents of their first language typically affect how we hear their spoken English and it is sometime hard to understand.

Therefore, it is not "un-American" that first generation immigrants from Spanish speaking countries and Middle Eastern and Asian countries do not immediately learn to speak English as their main language. Probably most often it is the children that bring English into the homes from school. For those of us who have been fortunate enough to have long histories in the US, we need to be careful to not judge our new comers until they have had adequate time to assimilate. Afterall, our previous generations went through the same 'growth' processes.

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May 5, 2018 18:11:03   #
catgirl Loc: las vegas
 
Thruxton wrote:
Perhaps kd7eir you need to re-assess your own understanding of "American LAW". Here's a quick summary without all the exemptions.
Note point #6 in "Naturalization Eligibility Requirements" from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service page - Naturalization Eligibility Requirements:


Before an individual applies for naturalization, he or she must meet a few requirements. Depending on the individual’s situation, there are different requirements that may apply. General requirements for naturalization are below.

•Be at least 18 years old at the time of filing Form N-400, Application for Naturalization.


•Be a permanent resident (have a “Green Card”) for at least 5 years.


•Show that you have lived for at least 3 months in the state or USCIS district where you apply.


•Demonstrate continuous residence in the United States for at least 5 years immediately preceding the date of filing Form N-400.


•Show that you have been physically present in the United States for at least 30 months out of the 5 years immediately preceding the date of filing Form N-400.


•Be able to read, write, and speak basic English.


•Have a basic understanding of U.S. history and government (civics).


•Be a person of good moral character.


•Demonstrate an attachment to the principles and ideals of the U.S. Constitution
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all of the above plus I had to go to night school for six weeks and get a certificate showing that I had completed the US history etc course, then had to take a test confirming had to pass with a 75% passing grade, I had also to be sponsored by a US Citizen before applying for my American Citizenship

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May 5, 2018 20:42:52   #
home brewer Loc: Fort Wayne, Indiana
 
When I was in the army in Germany in 1973 I worked in Battalion supply and an e2 that was getting kicked out came in a started cursing at the E7 I worked for in Spanish; the W2 who was of Mexican decent over heard and chewed him out in Spanish and English. It was nice to see.

Second story; Many years latter I worked with a man at IHC of Basque decent who grew up I north west Wyoming. HE was overweight and tells the story of when he was standing in line at a bank in his home town when two young Hispanic girls got in line behind him and started talking about the fat gringo. After he did his bank transaction he turned around and proceed to talk to them in Spanish about the weather and other things. He never once mentioned them talking about the fat gringo; but he said is neat to watch then turn red.

never assume that others can understand what you are saying.

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May 6, 2018 00:01:41   #
Fkaufman3 Loc: Florida, LA ie lower Alabama
 
My son was naturalized as American citizen when he was 6 yrs old, I was 16 when naturalized so age is irrelavent, the judge does ask some basic questions about history or civics that most Americans would not know the answer to. As diverse as our culture is and fading differences maybe there is a need for different groups within our culture.

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May 6, 2018 04:01:46   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
kd7eir wrote:
I'm sure a self-imagined "law and order© American patriot©" like yourself fully understands that American LAW does NOT require a person to speak English to become an American citizen, so your assertion that you MUST speak English if you live here is actually counter to American law. You would think that a law and order© American patriot© would know this, and a REAL one WOULD, which makes you neither.

Can you cite where he said any of what you claim?

Of course you can’t.

The point was obviously that if one wants to function in a society one should learn the common terms of communication.

If I moved to Iran I would bother to learn Farsi.

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May 6, 2018 04:08:33   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
Thruxton wrote:
Perhaps kd7eir you need to re-assess your own understanding of "American LAW". Here's a quick summary without all the exemptions.
Note point #6 in "Naturalization Eligibility Requirements" from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service page - Naturalization Eligibility Requirements:


Before an individual applies for naturalization, he or she must meet a few requirements. Depending on the individual’s situation, there are different requirements that may apply. General requirements for naturalization are below.

•Be at least 18 years old at the time of filing Form N-400, Application for Naturalization.


•Be a permanent resident (have a “Green Card”) for at least 5 years.


•Show that you have lived for at least 3 months in the state or USCIS district where you apply.


•Demonstrate continuous residence in the United States for at least 5 years immediately preceding the date of filing Form N-400.


•Show that you have been physically present in the United States for at least 30 months out of the 5 years immediately preceding the date of filing Form N-400.


•Be able to read, write, and speak basic English.


•Have a basic understanding of U.S. history and government (civics).


•Be a person of good moral character.


•Demonstrate an attachment to the principles and ideals of the U.S. Constitution
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KD is very used to being wrong by now, I suspect he will next post a meme full of false data confirming his position.

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May 6, 2018 06:14:09   #
traderjohn Loc: New York City
 
JFCoupe wrote:
Many of us have limited knowledge of the immigration history the United States and this leaves room for many interpretations of our history. As various European groups immigrated to the US, they typically had the lowest paid jobs and consequently lived in the lowest level housing areas in most of the large eastern cities. Those that moved to mid-western agricultural areas tended to move to communities with folks from the same 'old countries. In both cities and ag areas, these folks often maintained their first language and then as children went to school, English became better known and after a generation or two, the use of the first language declined in use. And even today, there are neighborhoods in large cities that are still recognized as Italian, German and Polish area, etc. In farming areas there are still towns that have ethnic components to them that are essential to their culture.

Also, when folks learn English as a second language as adults, the accents of their first language typically affect how we hear their spoken English and it is sometime hard to understand.

Therefore, it is not "un-American" that first generation immigrants from Spanish speaking countries and Middle Eastern and Asian countries do not immediately learn to speak English as their main language. Probably most often it is the children that bring English into the homes from school. For those of us who have been fortunate enough to have long histories in the US, we need to be careful to not judge our new comers until they have had adequate time to assimilate. Afterall, our previous generations went through the same 'growth' processes.
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"Afterall, our previous generations went through the same 'growth' processes" Yes they did and they grew. There was no welfare. no housing, no food stamps there was no free health care no money for clothing. Now there are no levels of expectations.

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May 6, 2018 07:56:15   #
LWW Loc: Banana Republic of America
 
JFCoupe wrote:
Many of us have limited knowledge of the immigration history the United States and this leaves room for many interpretations of our history. As various European groups immigrated to the US, they typically had the lowest paid jobs and consequently lived in the lowest level housing areas in most of the large eastern cities. Those that moved to mid-western agricultural areas tended to move to communities with folks from the same 'old countries. In both cities and ag areas, these folks often maintained their first language and then as children went to school, English became better known and after a generation or two, the use of the first language declined in use. And even today, there are neighborhoods in large cities that are still recognized as Italian, German and Polish area, etc. In farming areas there are still towns that have ethnic components to them that are essential to their culture.

Also, when folks learn English as a second language as adults, the accents of their first language typically affect how we hear their spoken English and it is sometime hard to understand.

Therefore, it is not "un-American" that first generation immigrants from Spanish speaking countries and Middle Eastern and Asian countries do not immediately learn to speak English as their main language. Probably most often it is the children that bring English into the homes from school. For those of us who have been fortunate enough to have long histories in the US, we need to be careful to not judge our new comers until they have had adequate time to assimilate. Afterall, our previous generations went through the same 'growth' processes.
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Read a book.

Virtually everything you claim is wrong.

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May 6, 2018 10:42:22   #
mas24 Loc: Southern CA
 
I don't have a problem with people being able to speak a different language. If you are among yourselves, no big deal. However, if your supervisor tells you to unload the truck to stock the store in English, you better understand him/her to keep your job. Los Angeles, CA and New York City, are the leaders in the most foreign spoken languages today. But, English is spoken Worldwide. Even, the President of France speaks English. And no country in Europe is more protective of its language and culture as the French are.

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May 6, 2018 14:56:01   #
Harry0 Loc: Gardena, Cal
 
traderjohn wrote:
Oh, God.

This is Los Angeles.
They had a big celebration a few years back when they had a large group citizenship ceremony.
The *entire* event was done solely in Spanish. People partied all day.
Yup. Red team won, we lost again.

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May 11, 2018 20:27:22   #
DickC Loc: NE Washington state
 

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