rmorrison1116 Loc: Near Valley Forge, Pennsylvania

Dang, that's sure gonna suck. Oh well, I still have my non-DSLR'S.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

One of the reasons threads become so long is that duplicate responses are made. I never respond to a comment until I have read the entire thread, and then I don't respond if someone else has already said what I was about to say. Your "I haven't read the entire thread, but ..." approach is not helpful, IMHO.

gwilliams6

All the best to you ,and keeping shooting until they have to pry that camera away. A big cheers to you !!

mas24 Loc: Southern CA

A 10 pound bazooka? I love when you say that. I can recall you saying that in a previous thread from a different post. I laughed then, as I am now. But wouldn't you want to own a Nikon 200-500mm lens, to attach to that dusty Nikon of yours, to shoot birds with?

gwilliams6

The greatest weight savings in mirrorless lenses are at medium and wide angle focal length lenses. Once you get into longer telephoto lenses, the physics of the optical path require about the same size and weight of telephoto DSLR lenses. Making the body smaller DOES NOT force you to make the lens longer and heavier, on that you are incorrect. The flange distance to the sensor ,and the width to cover the sensor at that focal length is what factors into the lens formula. Wider lenses on mirrorless can be extremely compact, but like I said, that size and weight advantage ends with telephoto lenses.

It is NOT Marketing alone that will determine if DSLRs go away or not. It is the demand from the photographic consumer for mirrorless features and performance at a good price vs less performance for the same price from DSLRs. The tech is all in mirrorless favor. That mirror and mechanism in DSLR has just about reached the zenith of any real major advances. Mirrorless physics give these cameras solid advantages that NO DSLR, at any price, can physically ever have, that is just fact.

If you are happy with the present state of DSLR cameras then stay put and be happy. If on the other hand you are looking for more, and have found your happy place with all that mirrorless can offer you for your hard-earned money, then make the switch. The article that prompted this thread has Camera Industry Execs agreeing that mirrorless tech is the future, and DSLR's domination is almost over. They didn't say DSLRs are dead, they just wont dominate going forward like they have in the past.

Canon and Nikon, Fuji, Panasonic, Olympus, Sony, Hasselblad, Leica all want a big slice of that top-end mirrorless market. It will be interesting to see who has the corporate resources and more important, the corporate will, to be the leader and offer us the best gear to make creating our art easier and more expansive. I have to teach this reality in my university photo classes. I don't tell my students what gear to use or buy personally, but I give them the facts of the present state of gear available for them to create. We have a mix of gear for them to try and they find out themselves what they like to use. Ultimately these cameras are just tools in the creative process. Cheers.

Bill_de Loc: US

Well I shot 2 horse races in my amateur career.

Secretariat's big win at Belmont and Secretariat's loss to Onion at Saratoga. Somewhere buried away I have negatives and two $2 tickets, a winner and a loser. Your comments brought back some good memories. Thanks!

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TampaRalph Loc: Tampa, FL

Well...

I heard digital cameras would drive film cameras to extinction. I also heard that online retailers would wipe out the neighborhood brick-and-mortar stores.

Amazingly, I still see 35mm film for sale at the pharmacy.

Angmo

Thom Hogan wrote what’s up about that with Nikon, Canon and Sony. If they maintain compatibility with mounts or not and how the market might react.

The dilemma article.

http://www.sansmirror.com/newsviews/the-mirrorless-prisoners.html

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

I don't understand how he could write this with a straight face. Canon has had their EOS-M mount for several years now, and Nikon has already talked about their upcoming Z mount.

adm

This is another example of people thinking if you keep saying the same thing over and over and louder and louder, people will actually believe it. The evidence simply does not support the predictions of the demise of the DSLR. Full frame mirrorless cameras do not have that much of a weight and size advantage over full frame DSLRs because of the size and weight of the full frame lenses. Even if full-frame mirrorless does surpass the DSLR in market share, which is possible but dubious, this will not necessarily kill the DSLR. I believe photographers will have a choice for the foreseeable future. When the film SLR became king in the 1960s, rangefinder cameras were still available and continue to be available today in this digital era. I for one will withold my requiem for the DSLR.

jcboy3

I don't believe that Fujifilm, Olympus, or Panasonic agreed that full-frame anything would become the norm.

Angmo

The mirrorless won’t suite me much. DSLR has the size, capabilities and response I like. I’d hate to look at an electronic viewfinder with its slight delay too.

gwilliams6

Sadly Fuji just discontinued making some of their signature films and papers;
https://petapixel.com/2018/04/06/fujifilm-officially-killing-off-acros-film/

I teach a B&W 35mm film class , and it is getting harder to find film.chemistry and photo paper. . We process it in our own university lab, so we are still ok. Yes some film is still available but a lot of great stuff, especially color stock is long gone ,forever. .

gwilliams6

Angmo there is NO EVF delay in the latest mirrorless cameras, none. This is not any issue anymore. Turn it on and before you can get your eye up the EVF ,it is on now. . Check it out at your camera shop and see. And my mirrorless cameras have all the equal response and more capabilities of any DSLR, at any price.

Use what you want, but to be completely objective ,folks need to try out the latest Mirrorless cameras and then you will see why pros and amateurs are retiring more DLSRs every day.
Cheers.

gwilliams6

I certainly don't expect you to believe my point of view because I say it over and over. I teach university students and they don't believe what i say, just because i say it more than once. They need to be headed in the direction to where they can find out the facts themselves. But what you do is educate yourself and make an objective opinion based on the facts of this changing marketplace.

Discussion is good. I think DSLRs have more years to be around, they just wont be the top of the heap in five years. The Japanese camera makers now believe this, and they are the ones who make them.

Actually Nikon and Canon, IMO, will have the greatest impact, greater than even Sony, in signaling the end of the DSLR's rein. If Nikon and Canon come out with top performing full-frame mirrorless systems to truly compete with the industry-leading Sonys, and I mean compete feature for EVERY feature ,and at a similar price. If that happens, and it might, then Nikon and Canon will cannabilize their own top-end DSLR sales, and that would truly signal the end of the DSLRs rein. Sony's great cameras like the A9, A7RIII and now A7III, and other great mirrorless offerings from Fuji, Panasonic, Olympus etc. are just the catalysts to the ending of the rein.

Remember this whole discussion is about the rein of DSLRs ending, not their complete death. There was another separate UHH thread about the death of the DSLR. That tread was no less heated in its discussions. Cheers.