Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

You may have a point with that definition. But I prefer the much older and better definition that Photography is, "Drawing with light".

anderzander

It looks like I stirred up a storm, I won't be back, the future is wide open, I'm very mild compared to the perversion that exists in the world today, the future can be scary, I've seen it, that's not where I'm coming from.

anderzander

It looks like I stirred up a storm, I won't be back, the future is wide open, I'm very mild compared to the perversion that exists in the world today, the future can be scary, I've seen it, that's not where I'm coming from.

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

I remember many years ago photography was not considered art. No one will argue that now. So definitions change. Photography has to find its new one.

P.S. Is a scanner considered a camera?

anderzander

It ends up in print and thus it is a photo art form, photography started out as a (camera obscure) what went wrong, I built my first pinhole camera with two and three holes because I wanted multiple images on the 4 x 5 negative, that's exploring photography and that was back in 1967. My first photo lesson in college was with a 4 x 5 view camera not 35mm and that was 1965. My first picture ever taken was with an old Kodak Brownie, my dad's camera, he bought the film and I explored the camera, couldn't wait for the prints to come back, had no idea what I was doing at 10 years old, I still play with photography when I travel.
And, if I had the space I would open up all of my darkroom equipment and go back to the solitude of a real darkroom, lock the door and say get lost on the sign.

Fotoartist Loc: Detroit, Michigan

Yet, you're on the cutting edge, now. Good for you.

anderzander

Thanks, photography was invented in France, 1826 if I remember, but don't tell good old American's, we tend to believe it was Eastman Kodak.
Sorry for the comment but I love correct history. Photography started out as an art form, (experimental) then it became a commercial art enterprise, then a photography Phenomenon and now it is back to be a true fine art element, because it is very difficult to compete on the open platform stage of ego-centrique professional photographers, that's not a put down, that's just the way the industry is. Sorry for spelling issues.

jonsommer Loc: Usually, somewhere on the U.S. west coast.

Hmmm, let’s see here, when photography came along, the fine art painters said that it wasn’t art because the image was made by a mechanical device, although the early photographic images weren’t very good. When digital cameras came along, the film and darkroom guys said digital photography wasn’t art because, well, it didn’t take years to learn darkroom skills, although the early digital images weren’t very good. Now we just had a look at the potential of 3D imaging and the digital photographers are saying it’s not photography because the images don’t really exist as we have known them in the past, although the 3D images aren’t very good. I see a trend in closed-minded thinking here, if we think that photography is about traditional cameras and lenses, we’ve been hiding in the basement since the 70’s and our photos are likely as outdated as our ideas. If we see what we are trying to do as making images, rather than the traditional 2 dimensional definition, we can open our closed minds to new and developing ideas, change our thinking from analog to digital, recognize that 3D modeling is still in development mode and has a ways to go, and isn’t very good yet, but image making using technology is the future, and it’s moving quickly and coming right in our direction. Finally, I have to disagree that photography isn’t about politics, in fact, photography is one of the most powerful political tools ever invented and constantly manipulated to influence opinion, both yours and mine.

Once again, it’s time to take our collective heads out of the sand.

anderzander

Keep in mind, the Camera Obscure was the first original camera idea and photography at its root BEGINNING. There was no image medium until Deguera-type (excuse the mis-spelling) came along. Painters used the camera obscure to create highly accurate landscape paintings wherein they would stand inside the box and trace out the landscape outlines to get the perspective they were looking for, (image being upside down), therefore the painters were the first to use photography as a medium to create amazing perspective paintings and they were the first to recognize the potential as an art form.

THE HUBBLE TELESCOPE IS THE GREATEST CAMERA EVER SENT INTO SPACE, SPACE PHOTOGRAPHY ISN'T RECORDED ON FILM NOR DOES IT USE A TRADITIONAL LENS. THANK GOD AND SCIENCE FOR THE UNIVERSE WE LIVE IN, KEEP ON EXPLORING.

JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco

Of course stitching photographs is still photography, as it started out as images captured on light sensitive material. 3D computer generated images are not photography.

anderzander

So, I guess the moon landing and Hubble didn't take pictures either, just happens to be a photo image, 3D is just another evolution in the process. In the future photography will be handled by Infrared and Radio Waves, Micro Waves and Neutron Particles. If I use a 3D Camera to photograph an object because I want to see it in a virtual 3D form to vie all sides, that is photography.

JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco

The definition of photography is images created by the effects of light on a light sensitive material. I don't know what you mean by the moon landing - they used conventional film cameras to record that.

JohnFrim Loc: Somewhere in the Great White North.

I believe they use Hasselblad cameras, or am I incorrect?

JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco

Right - and they left most of them up there.

dat2ra Loc: Sacramento

Creepy, yes, but I find them interesting. As in what can be and is being done. It's the new frontier, like it or not.