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Apr 12, 2018 09:23:38   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
mwalsh wrote:
I am not saying anything about what Hillary did or did not do. I only spoke to what Comey said, which was not that she broke the law as several of us like to claim.

As I understand, the intent component means knowingly giving classified info to someone not cleared for it. I don't think Patreus's reporter girlfriend had security clearance. He shared the folders with her intentionally though, he meant to give them to her, it was not accidental or due to negligence on his part. It was willful. I am sure his intent was not nefarious, but he did intentially give her access.

Hillary reeks. IMHO negligent handling, especially gross negligence, of classified material, regardless of intent, should be prosecutable. But apparently, that is not the law.
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She did have security clearance but did not have the necessary, Need to Know, clearance.

For the section in question no criminal intent is necessary to convict. Just doing it without any criminal intent is enough. Comey lied to the American people when he made his proclamation that she just guilty of mishandling.

You can think what you want but the FBI did not do a real investigation of Hillary and her cohorts. It was a sham and someday it will come out.

Dennis

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Apr 12, 2018 11:27:46   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Exactly. But one of those statutes needs no criminal intent for a conviction. There was no criminal intent when General David Petraeus gave a classified document to his lover who also had a proper security clearance. But he was convicted as a crime. There was no criminal intent of a sailor who took photos of his ship to show family. Hr did a year in a Federal prison.

Hillary’s attorney had classified documents on her computer. Huma Abedin did as well as did her husband, Anthony Weiner. We do not always agree but do you honestly see no problem here? Hillary lied about deleting 30,000 emails. It is a crime. But are you saying she is innocent? Come on, you are better than that aren’t you?

Dennis
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I've read where Petraeus sees it differently than you do, but what would he know. May I suggest you contact him and give him the benefit of your superior understanding.

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Apr 12, 2018 11:35:26   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
dennis2146 wrote:
She did have security clearance but did not have the necessary, Need to Know, clearance.

For the section in question no criminal intent is necessary to convict. Just doing it without any criminal intent is enough. Comey lied to the American people when he made his proclamation that she just guilty of mishandling.

You can think what you want but the FBI did not do a real investigation of Hillary and her cohorts. It was a sham and someday it will come out.

Dennis


Well, do we choose to believe the insecure legal authority from 1836, or do we believe Comey????

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Apr 12, 2018 12:27:33   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Twardlow wrote:
Well, do we choose to believe the insecure legal authority from 1836, or do we believe Comey????


Is this a referral back to my post about Davy Crockett’s remarks to Congress regarding welfare in 1836? If so isn’t it pretty stupid, ridiculous and idiotic trying to relate the two? You attempted then as now to show that this isn’t 1836. No shit Sherlock. But the principle faults of the welfare system where a large amount of people receive tax dollars by sitting on their asses and not working remains true today. The rest of us pay to support these people through paying taxes. You of all people, being a Liberal in support of that system, know this all too well.

As usual this is nothing more than your typically feeble attempt at deflection.

You ignore facts that Comey has lied. Comey did allow a sham investigation of Hillary and you know it. But your allegiance to the corrupt Democratic Party won’t let your mind admit it.

Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch on the tarmac, Strzok and Paige, Andrew McCabe, his lies, and his political wife and others all played roles in this scandal. But of course in your all knowing mind, you just can’t see the forest for the trees.

Dennis

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Apr 12, 2018 12:36:07   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
snore....

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Apr 12, 2018 13:48:56   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Twardlow wrote:
snore....


Exactly. You just proved my point regarding conversations, your knack of deflection from real issues and that I am correct.

Always a pleasure.

Dennis

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Apr 12, 2018 15:36:12   #
Keenan Loc: Central Coast California
 
dennis2146 wrote:
You can think what you want but the FBI did not do a real investigation of Hillary and her cohorts. It was a sham and someday it will come out.

TRANSLATION: "I don't care if the facts support the FBI's conclusion. I am emotionally attached and ideologically committed to the make believe narrative that Hillary and her cohorts are criminals and that the FBI and DOJ conspired to cover it up. I just know they are criminals and belong behind bars! It doesn't matter how many facts or legal experts prove otherwise. I will never accept any other narrative no matter what. Some day my beloved wanna-be-dictator Trump will completely take over the system of justice, get rid of due process, and force the FBI to arrest these criminals, you'll see!"

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Apr 12, 2018 16:43:25   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Keenan wrote:
TRANSLATION: "I don't care if the facts support the FBI's conclusion. I am emotionally attached and ideologically committed to the make believe narrative that Hillary and her cohorts are criminals and that the FBI and DOJ conspired to cover it up. I just know they are criminals and belong behind bars! It doesn't matter how many facts or legal experts prove otherwise. I will never accept any other narrative no matter what. Some day my beloved wanna-be-dictator Trump will completely take over the system of justice, get rid of due process, and force the FBI to arrest these criminals, you'll see!"
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There there. It will be alright. No reason to fly into a rage.

Why do you think McCabe was fired? Why do you think Strzok and Paige were taken off the case? Wait, I know. They are all totally innocent but we’re just caught up in the Great Right Wing Conspiracy.

Oh yeah, that’s it.

Dennis

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Apr 12, 2018 16:47:57   #
FRENCHY Loc: Stone Mountain , Ga
 
Keenan wrote:
TRANSLATION: "I don't care if the facts support the FBI's conclusion. I am emotionally attached and ideologically committed to the make believe narrative that Hillary and her cohorts are criminals and that the FBI and DOJ conspired to cover it up. I just know they are criminals and belong behind bars! It doesn't matter how many facts or legal experts prove otherwise. I will never accept any other narrative no matter what. Some day my beloved wanna-be-dictator Trump will completely take over the system of justice, get rid of due process, and force the FBI to arrest these criminals, you'll see!"
TRANSLATION: "I don't care if the facts suppo... (show quote)







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