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Mar 20, 2018 22:21:09 #
gvarner wrote:
Being an atheist, I check in here once in a while to see how the other half is doing.
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Thank you all for the exercise.
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Thank you all for the exercise.
Please consider rereading the "Welcome!" message before dropping by again.
Mar 20, 2018 23:30:06 #
You avoided my questions,a consistent ploy, and hid behind words that you use like a smoke screen. How long will you use well sounding phrases instead of putting real thought to what you say? Though I disagree with you and your hollow arguments and, since I can put facts to underlie the reasons for my faith, until you choose to consider( not necessarily blindly accept) a viewpoint other than your own, though I and others have given much thought both now and in the past to your view, I and others will pray for you to come to an educated position on your eternal future.
God Bless!
God Bless!
Mar 21, 2018 01:24:06 #
Mar 21, 2018 07:30:55 #
gvarner wrote:
One man's belief is not another man's reality. That's the nature of faith, it's a personal thing and should be kept that way. If we want to, we can convince ourselves to believe anything, as you have apparently done. You're happy, I'm happy, that's all that matters.
...if we truly live up to our beliefs, we should not be happy that you are unconvinced given what we believe the outcome is for you.
To that end, if you are interested in a reasoned discussion, happy to do that here. Bring a specific argument and we can discuss.
More efficiently, read the works of Josh MacDowell and Lee Stroebel and refute their arguments. For a deeper dive in apologetics, read "form" and "redactive" criticisms of the ancient texts ( both biblical authors as well as non biblical historians like Josephus.)
I am afraid that "science will prove everything" is a faith statement and not useful for a discussion.
Btw....responses from other Christians in this forumn are similar. I believe they are sensing that your motive is not to engage but to dismiss. If that is the case, then we will wish you well. If not, come and let us reason together :-)
Mar 21, 2018 09:35:48 #
Apr 23, 2018 08:15:01 #
davyboy
Loc: Anoka Mn.
gvarner wrote:
Being an atheist, I check in here once in a while ... (show quote)
Just your belief? Are you absolutely sure?
Apr 23, 2018 08:18:18 #
davyboy
Loc: Anoka Mn.
gvarner wrote:
Granted, carbon dating is good for maybe 40,000, b... (show quote)
Do you have faith in what you believe?
Apr 23, 2018 08:19:31 #
davyboy
Loc: Anoka Mn.
gvarner wrote:
Yes, here we are. As an atheist I don't "believe by faith", your words. Faith has nothing to do with facts since facts are what they are. I don't take gravity as a matter of faith. But ascribing evidence to the existence of a Creator is a bit of a stretch. You can provide a rationale but not evidence.
You have facts God does not exist?
Apr 25, 2018 10:22:56 #
gvarner wrote:
Being an atheist, I check in here once in a while to see how the other half is doing.
That's a common trait among atheist and not surprising. The bible says that you know that God exists yet you surprise that knowledge in unrighteousness. I've found that atheists are drawn to discussions of God like moths to a flame. I know that when I professed to disbelieve that God existed that was the case for me, and every Christian I've ever asked about it also.
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Seems like an awful lot of sectarian battles going on among the flock. Not that atheists don't have their fair share of bickering over who believes less than whoever.
Christians are concerned with truth and when you have truth, you have falsehood. That's life I guess.
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Personally I see the writings in the Bible as an attempt by the Ancients to understand human behavior without the benefit of our current understandings of science, psychology, sociology, and the human brain in general.
It's not surprising that you don't know what the bible is about...you are a pagan and the truth of God is spiritually discerned. (pagan isn't a slur, it's a descriptive term for non-Christian)
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I can plug in the words "human consciousness" for God and the Bible makes a lot more sense to me.
Yeah...I bet it does. I know that when I was unsaved, in rebellion to God I had my alternate explanations for it too.
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Every few generations our understanding of the real world catches up with our ability to fantasize and one more cherished belief bites the dust. But we still keep those ancient myths close at hand because they're founded in our intuitive and instinctual behaviors. After all, we are still just very smart animals.
Yeah...that's the alternative...just animals. The problem is that you don't really believe that. You are made in the image of God and God has put His law on your heart so no matter how much you suppress that conscience or distort it..it's there. You are a walking bundle of contradictions. You say that we are animals but you'd recoil in horror if a loved one was murdered..you'd wish for justice!
Animals don't have courts, they don't wish for justice. You don't get mad at baking soda for reacting with vinegar...nope.
Your actions betray what you know deep down....that God exists, and you are subject to Him.
Please...repent and believe the gospel. Beg God for for mercy before it's too late. You've sinned against your creator countless times and if you die in your current state you will get your just punishment; eternal hell, torture for eternity. Please...repent and be saved!
Apr 26, 2018 09:23:43 #
Beercat wrote:
So until one is ready to have their eyes opened the the word of God the Bible will never make sense. Discussing spiritual issues with you is folly.
So until one is ready to have their eyes opened the the word of God the Bible will never make sense. Discussing spiritual issues with you is folly.
Or more accurately. until God opens this person's eyes then discussing spiritual issues with them is folly. (except for the exhortation to repent and believe.)
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I'll take it one step further ..... Have you ever... (show quote)
Actually Jesus said just the opposite. He told the following parable:
(The rich man speaking from Hades)
“And he said, ‘Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father’s house—for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
(Abraham responds)
’But Abraham said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.
(Rich man)
’And he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent.
(Abraham responds)
’He said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead.’””
(Luke 16:27–31 ESV)
Jesus illustrated that all men have enough information; they know that God exists and yet they actively suppress that knowledge. They must be born again...God must take out their heart of stone and replace it with a heart of flesh, otherwise they won't respond correctly...even if they see someone rise from the dead.
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