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Jul 14, 2012 15:37:17   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
PNagy wrote:
"... criminals received better treatment than their victims."

I hear you. I have been frustrated by lack of justice a couple of times when I was victimized by police, even though I had committed no crime. However, I realize that if due process requires strict rules of evidence, sometimes the guilty party is not punished, or not punished sufficiently. Without due process the abuses would be far worse than we have today.

As much as some of us detest those defense lawyers who get obviously guilty (in our minds, at least) off on some technicality, they are the only thing that stands between us and a police state.

“It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished. But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, "whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection," and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever.”

-- John Adams

"It is better and more satisfactory to acquit a thousand guilty persons than to put a single innocent one to death."

-- Maimonides

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Jul 14, 2012 15:38:41   #
gmcase Loc: Galt's Gulch
 
Common sense has passed away for the most part but this guy is taking advantage of the severe lack of common sense we exercised collectively in the recent past. :-P

http://www.fototime.com/972C3AD4CD15809/standard.jpg

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Jul 14, 2012 15:50:26   #
flyguy Loc: Las Cruces, New Mexico
 
ngc1514 wrote:
PNagy wrote:
"... criminals received better treatment than their victims."

I hear you. I have been frustrated by lack of justice a couple of times when I was victimized by police, even though I had committed no crime. However, I realize that if due process requires strict rules of evidence, sometimes the guilty party is not punished, or not punished sufficiently. Without due process the abuses would be far worse than we have today.

As much as some of us detest those defense lawyers who get obviously guilty (in our minds, at least) off on some technicality, they are the only thing that stands between us and a police state.

“It is more important that innocence be protected than it is that guilt be punished, for guilt and crimes are so frequent in this world that they cannot all be punished. But if innocence itself is brought to the bar and condemned, perhaps to die, then the citizen will say, "whether I do good or whether I do evil is immaterial, for innocence itself is no protection," and if such an idea as that were to take hold in the mind of the citizen that would be the end of security whatsoever.”

-- John Adams

"It is better and more satisfactory to acquit a thousand guilty persons than to put a single innocent one to death."

-- Maimonides
quote=PNagy "... criminals received better t... (show quote)


I concur absolutely. Thanks for pointing this out. :thumbup:

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Jul 14, 2012 17:01:40   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
billypip wrote:
Frenchcoast.............I dont recall reading any Brit belittling the colonies in this particular post , are we on the same page ???????


What newspaper did he say it came from? The article came from here in the states originally.

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Jul 14, 2012 17:03:06   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
"As much as some of us detest those defense lawyers who get obviously guilty (in our minds, at least) off on some technicality, they are the only thing that stands between us and a police state. "

The technicality is always a constitutional violation, like search and seizure without due process. Without Fourth Amendment protection there would be nothing stopping routine searches of the most private property, even though no evidence indicates there should be a search. If that is not enough a scare, I am sure you would agree that authorities who prefer to search and seize without reason or due process, would not shrink from planting evidence.

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Jul 14, 2012 18:46:06   #
TchrBill Loc: Houston, TX
 
budjordan1 wrote:

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as: - Knowing when to come in out of the rain; - Why the early bird gets the worm; - Life isn't always fair; - And maybe it was my fault. Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge). His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place.

Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition. Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion. Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.
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Oh, this is so true. If I can find a button with this statement on it, I will wear it to school every day. Well, every day until I am told I can't wear it any longer because some of my students were offended and their parents demanded I remove it.



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Jul 14, 2012 19:32:09   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
TchrBill wrote:
budjordan1 wrote:

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as: - Knowing when to come in out of the rain; - Why the early bird gets the worm; - Life isn't always fair; - And maybe it was my fault. Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge). His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place.

Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition. Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion. Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.
br Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old fr... (show quote)


Oh, this is so true. If I can find a button with this statement on it, I will wear it to school every day. Well, every day until I am told I can't wear it any longer because some of my students were offended and their parents demanded I remove it.
quote=budjordan1 br Today we mourn the passing o... (show quote)


Let it be said, just about all of us have had moments when we suspended our common sense. The punishment was anything between minor embarrassment to enormous personal losses.

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Jul 14, 2012 23:27:37   #
jmdusty Loc: greater DaytonOh. area
 
Weres the down load button, this is dead on.

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Jul 15, 2012 00:02:08   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
jmdusty wrote:
Weres the down load button, this is dead on.


Common sense means never having to wear loafers any longer!

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Jul 15, 2012 02:29:15   #
johnr9999 Loc: Carlton, OR
 
PNagy wrote:
TchrBill wrote:
budjordan1 wrote:

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as: - Knowing when to come in out of the rain; - Why the early bird gets the worm; - Life isn't always fair; - And maybe it was my fault. Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge). His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place.

Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition. Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion. Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.
br Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old fr... (show quote)


Oh, this is so true. If I can find a button with this statement on it, I will wear it to school every day. Well, every day until I am told I can't wear it any longer because some of my students were offended and their parents demanded I remove it.
quote=budjordan1 br Today we mourn the passing o... (show quote)


Let it be said, just about all of us have had moments when we suspended our common sense. The punishment was anything between minor embarrassment to enormous personal losses.
quote=TchrBill quote=budjordan1 br Today we mou... (show quote)


Yes, but those momentary incidents don't normally become law. A young girl recently suffered multiple second degree burns from sunburn because the school would not allow her to apply sunscreen because it was "medicine". Becoming all too typical.

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Jul 15, 2012 02:35:32   #
JBTaylor Loc: In hiding again
 
budjordan1 wrote:

Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition. Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.
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What wrong with this picture? And it's only the tip of the iceberg in absurdity in our schools and other public institutions.

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Jul 15, 2012 04:30:55   #
Shakey Loc: Traveling again to Norway and other places.
 
frenchcoast wrote:
billypip wrote:
Frenchcoast.............I dont recall reading any Brit belittling the colonies in this particular post , are we on the same page ???????


What newspaper did he say it came from? The article came from here in the states originally.


I don't care where it came from, it's thought provoking and it makes me feel damned angry! (I still don't get the Brit thing. Our politicians are noted for borrowing extracts from speeches made in the Brit parliament, or maybe it's their speech writers.) Whatever, it makes me mad enough to chew on my gums.

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Jul 15, 2012 14:05:08   #
UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA
 
Shakey wrote:
frenchcoast wrote:
billypip wrote:
Frenchcoast.............I dont recall reading any Brit belittling the colonies in this particular post , are we on the same page ???????


What newspaper did he say it came from? The article came from here in the states originally.


I don't care where it came from, it's thought provoking and it makes me feel damned angry! (I still don't get the Brit thing. Our politicians are noted for borrowing extracts from speeches made in the Brit parliament, or maybe it's their speech writers.) Whatever, it makes me mad enough to chew on my gums.
quote=frenchcoast quote=billypip Frenchcoast....... (show quote)


Calm down Shakey, down get your panties in a wad. It was simply my thoughts on the origin of the article. I guess I just spent to much time around the brits.

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Jul 15, 2012 15:33:35   #
billypip Loc: nottingham England
 
At the end of the day it is those in power that have ANY say whether we decide to vote or not. Personally, I would like to go back in time and give Guy Fawkes a nuke !!! I would also allot Oliver Cromwell all of our Elite fighting forces............brutal yes, but they were men with vision, i fear its too late now because money has its evil grip and as we know.............money equals POWER !!!

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Jul 15, 2012 15:56:48   #
boroboy51 Loc: middle earth
 
Images wrote:
Images wrote:
budjordan1 wrote:
This one makes so much "common sense"


An Obituary printed in the London Times.....Absolutely Dead Brilliant!!

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as: - Knowing when to come in out of the rain; - Why the early bird gets the worm; - Life isn't always fair; - And maybe it was my fault. Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn) and reliable strategies (adults, not children, are in charge). His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place.

Reports of a 6-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate; teens suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch; and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition. Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job that they themselves had failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer sun lotion or an aspirin to a student; but could not inform parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion. Common Sense lost the will to live as the churches became businesses; and criminals received better treatment than their victims.

Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home and the burglar could sue you for assault. Common Sense finally gave up the will to live, after a woman failed to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death, -by his parents, Truth and Trust, -by his wife, Discretion, -by his daughter, Responsibility, -and by his son, Reason.

He is survived by his 5 stepbrothers; - I Know My Rights - I Want It Now - Someone Else Is To Blame - I'm A Victim - Pay me for Doing Nothing

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone. If you still remember him, pass this on.
This one makes so much "common sense" br... (show quote)
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It didn't help when his well intentioned but very naive cousin 'Human rights' joined the game.

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