The Lawyer & the Loan (Page 2): "They just settled it before anyone else" So - finders keepers! Anyone else must be a claim jumper?

Delderby Loc: Derby UK

flathead27ford wrote:

When people ask me what my race is and I always want to say I am a Native American. Because of the very thing you said. I was born here. And in real truth, the Native Americans, they, too, immigrated to America a LONG time ago. They just settled it before anyone else. :-) Cheers.

"They just settled it before anyone else" So - finders keepers! Anyone else must be a claim jumper?

bedouin Loc: Big Bend area, Texas

I admit, with shame, much perfidy done to America's Indians. They were not blameless either and committed many atrocities on settlers. The UK has it's skeletons in the closet as well.For now let us admit our mistakes and move on.Besides our topic was a clever lawyer who shamed some mindless, overreaching bureaucrats. It always warms the cockles of my heart to see such arseholes brought low!

seniormomentnw Loc: Seattle

What a great reply! An exceptional use of humor and scholarship.

Delderby Loc: Derby UK

bedouin wrote:

I admit, with shame, much perfidy done to America's Indians. They were not blameless either and committed many atrocities on settlers. The UK has it's skeletons in the closet as well.For now let us admit our mistakes and move on.Besides our topic was a clever lawyer who shamed some mindless, overreaching bureaucrats. It always warms the cockles of my heart to see such arseholes brought low!

Bureaucrats need to justify their own existence - nobody else will.

Hope you have a good week end
Del

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

bobbyjohn wrote:

The Lawyer & the Loan

A New Orleans lawyer sought an FHA loan for a client. He was told the loan would be granted if he could prove satisfactory title to a parcel of property being offered as collateral. The title to the property dated back to 1803, which took the lawyer 3 months to track down. After sending the information to the FHA, he received the following reply (actual letter):

“Upon review of your letter adjoining your client's loan application, we note that the request is supported by an Abstract of Title. While we compliment the able manner in which you have prepared and presented an application, we must point out that you have only cleared title to the proposed collateral property back to 1803. Before final approval can be accorded, it will be necessary to clear title back to its origin.”

Annoyed, the lawyer responded as follows (actual letter):

“Your letter regarding title in Case 189156 has been received. I note that you wish to have title extended further than the 215 years covered by the present application. I was unaware that any educated person in this country, particularly those working in the property area, would not know that Louisiana was purchased by the US from France in 1803, the year of origin identified in our application. For the edification of uninformed FHA bureaucrats the title to land prior to US ownership was obtained from France, which had acquired it by Right of Conquest from Spain. The land came into possession of Spain by “Right of Discovery” made in the year 1492 by a sea captain named Christopher Columbus, who had been granted the privilege of seeking a new route to India by then reigning monarch, Isabella. The good queen, being a pious woman and careful about titles, almost as much as the FHA, took the precaution of securing the blessing of the Pope before she sold her jewels to fund Columbus' expedition. Now the Pope, as I'm sure you know, is the vicar of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. And God, it is commonly accepted, created this world. Therefore, I believe it is safe to presume that He also made that part of the world called Louisiana. He, therefore, would be the owner of origin. I hope you find His original claim to be satisfactory. Now, may we have our loan?”

The loan was granted.

The Lawyer & the Loan br br A New Orleans law... (show quote)

rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona

The portion of this that I'd contest is that Christopher Columbus never set foot on any part of the continent now known as The United States.

European presence didn't occur in what became Louisiana until the 16th century and it didn't become colony of France until 1682 and named La Louisiane, in honor of Louis XIV.

Otherwise, it's a tad funny.
--Bob

bobbyjohn wrote:

The Lawyer & the Loan

A New Orleans lawyer sought an FHA loan for a client. He was told the loan would be granted if he could prove satisfactory title to a parcel of property being offered as collateral. The title to the property dated back to 1803, which took the lawyer 3 months to track down. After sending the information to the FHA, he received the following reply (actual letter):

“Upon review of your letter adjoining your client's loan application, we note that the request is supported by an Abstract of Title. While we compliment the able manner in which you have prepared and presented an application, we must point out that you have only cleared title to the proposed collateral property back to 1803. Before final approval can be accorded, it will be necessary to clear title back to its origin.”

Annoyed, the lawyer responded as follows (actual letter):

“Your letter regarding title in Case 189156 has been received. I note that you wish to have title extended further than the 215 years covered by the present application. I was unaware that any educated person in this country, particularly those working in the property area, would not know that Louisiana was purchased by the US from France in 1803, the year of origin identified in our application. For the edification of uninformed FHA bureaucrats the title to land prior to US ownership was obtained from France, which had acquired it by Right of Conquest from Spain. The land came into possession of Spain by “Right of Discovery” made in the year 1492 by a sea captain named Christopher Columbus, who had been granted the privilege of seeking a new route to India by then reigning monarch, Isabella. The good queen, being a pious woman and careful about titles, almost as much as the FHA, took the precaution of securing the blessing of the Pope before she sold her jewels to fund Columbus' expedition. Now the Pope, as I'm sure you know, is the vicar of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. And God, it is commonly accepted, created this world. Therefore, I believe it is safe to presume that He also made that part of the world called Louisiana. He, therefore, would be the owner of origin. I hope you find His original claim to be satisfactory. Now, may we have our loan?”

The loan was granted.

The Lawyer & the Loan br br A New Orleans law... (show quote)

jack schade Loc: La Pine Oregon

Jack

BamaTexan Loc: Deep in the heart of Texas

Delderby wrote:

And everyne is ignoring the better title of the Natural Americans who lived there.

They came here by way of Asia.

Delderby Loc: Derby UK

BamaTexan wrote:

They came here by way of Asia.

Well - we never stop learning - do you know how long ago? Were they nomadic people from Mongolia?

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

BamaTexan wrote:

They came here by way of Asia.

The North American Indians did not actually have a concept of property (land) ownership with title as Europeans had.
Yes they lived in areas but dividing their area among themselves with titled lots etc. was incomprehensible.

BamaTexan Loc: Deep in the heart of Texas

Delderby wrote:

Well - we never stop learning - do you know how long ago? Were they nomadic people from Mongolia?

And what difference does that make?

BamaTexan Loc: Deep in the heart of Texas

Architect1776 wrote:

The North American Indians did not actually have a concept of property (land) ownership with title as Europeans had.
Yes they lived in areas but dividing their area among themselves with titled lots etc. was incomprehensible.

True and had they banded together against Europeans our story might have been much different. BYW, my wife is part Osage.

Delderby Loc: Derby UK

BamaTexan wrote:

And what difference does that make?

No difference - why, should there be? If they immigrated from a different continent they surely came overland via Alaska - and the Mongolians were / are Nomads - as were the American Indians - I find it difficult to believe that there were no human inhabitants of North America before them

DickC Loc: NE Washington state

Good lawyer!!!

Shellback Loc: North of Cheyenne Bottoms Wetlands - Kansas

Delderby wrote:

No difference - why, should there be? If they immigrated from a different continent they surely came overland via Alaska - and the Mongolians were / are Nomads - as were the American Indians - I find it difficult to believe that there were no human inhabitants of North America before them

Remember the land masses are plates floating on the liquid core and the plates split up and moved many years ago - IMO, it is probable that human life was on the land mass when it moved - but theory has it they crossed over a land bridge...

We are all part of the human race and should look at ways to improve mother earth and live peacefully...