New income tax 1040 form for those on the left (Page 3): For all you naysayers, do you think we should remove the parts of the wall that already exist, should we tear down the fences...

letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.

For all you naysayers, do you think we should remove the parts of the wall that already exist, should we tear down the fences between El Paso and our southern neighbor. Would you call those that proposed and built the walls in Ca. And the fences in Texas Racists?

amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN

KenW wrote:

To build the wall that you guys are envisioning is... (show quote)

Thank you for the reality check. However, it likely fell on deaf ears. Let me add one thing. If not for the CIA, it's quite likely we would not have these problems, since it was they who introduced drugs to S.America.

dljen Loc: Central PA

Huey Driver wrote:

Same place any land the government (city, state or federal) want's comes from. Either buy it or take it by eminent domain if necessary.

Why haven't land purchases been made and are still being in court from the Bush administration if it's so easy?

Huey Driver Loc: Texas

dljen wrote:

Why haven't land purchases been made and are still being in court from the Bush administration if it's so easy?

My guess is because no money was allocated for land purchases.

Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga

Border security should have been implemented & enforced after Reagan granted amnesty way back when. It never was and that's why we have this problem today. Laws don't matter if they are not enforced...

KenW wrote:

To build the wall that you guys are envisioning is... (show quote)

drainbamage

Huey Driver wrote:

I like the idea of a moat about 100 yards wide filled with very hungry piranha and gators and an electrically charged grid of about 1,000 volts 3 foot above the water surface and mines underground on our side and while were at it anti-aircraft batteries stationed strategically placed to shoot down any low flying aircraft. Let's seem them get past that?

You should check out the wall in Hungary. It is 13' tall, has razor wire at the bottom and top of it. It is monitored by guards on horseback with guns. If you go near it a very loud recording shouts out in four languages warning you not to come any closer, and if you touch it you get a mild electric shock. It's not very long, but there have been zero breaches.

Edited to add: Actually, it's not really a wall - it's more of a fence, but nevertheless, it remains VERY effective.

papakatz45 Loc: South Florida-West Palm Beach

Kmgw9v wrote:

I'll buy you a case of beer if the Wall fixes the immigration problems.

I will admit that I said Trump would not be elected. Clearly, I overestimated the quality of voters in this country.

Or maybe you just overestimated the public's acceptance of the Clinton machine.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

Kmgw9v wrote:

I misspoke. Mexico will PAY for it. Trump said so--so we know it is true.

Hey, keep living in your depression, it suits you well.

Blurryeyed Loc: NC Mountains.

KenW wrote:

That may be so, but the Trump boys would not be in charge of building the Wall if it were to come to pass. I would think the Army Corp of Engineers would be in charge of the project and they would contract it out to private contractors to do the work. As I said before, it will take at least a decade before a shovel is turned in the earth.

Trump will be working on streamlining the permitting process, in the SOTU address he said that congress should work with him to see to it that the process will only take between 1 and 2 years. Now if he can get done it would be amazing, but we all know that the democrats will be obstructionists, and anything he tries to do will be met with an obstinate minority party willing to sue to stop that which they can not stop with the vote like agency reform.

Architect1776 Loc: In my mind

Huey Driver wrote:

New income tax 1040 form for those on the left

Love it.

Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga

Architect1776 wrote:

Love it.

KenW Loc: Portland OR

Blurryeyed wrote:

Trump will be working on streamlining the permitting process, in the SOTU address he said that congress should work with him to see to it that the process will only take between 1 and 2 years. Now if he can get done it would be amazing, but we all know that the democrats will be obstructionists, and anything he tries to do will be met with an obstinate minority party willing to sue to stop that which they can not stop with the vote like agency reform.

Even if the President were to get the construction process sped up it will still take fifty years to build the wall. It will take decades just to acquire the land needed to build on. Even with eminent domain the government can still be challenged and will be challenged in courts which will slow down the process. It was easy to say "Let's build a Wall" in reality it will be very difficult and almost impossible to do.

Huey Driver Loc: Texas

So what your saying essentially is do nothing for another 20 years right? Just like we have been doing as the problem of illegals and drugs gets worse. We have to make an attempt to stop this and the time is now!

KenW wrote:

Even if the President were to get the construction process sped up it will still take fifty years to build the wall. It will take decades just to acquire the land needed to build on. Even with eminent domain the government can still be challenged and will be challenged in courts which will slow down the process. It was easy to say "Let's build a Wall" in reality it will be very difficult and almost impossible to do.

drainbamage

KenW wrote:

Even if the President were to get the construction process sped up it will still take fifty years to build the wall. It will take decades just to acquire the land needed to build on. Even with eminent domain the government can still be challenged and will be challenged in courts which will slow down the process. It was easy to say "Let's build a Wall" in reality it will be very difficult and almost impossible to do.

It may be that a physical wall will take a while to get accomplished as you say, but there is also the consideration of newer technology and virtual wall security...things like a network of cameras, sensors, communications tools and other equipment gives border crossers nowhere to hide. I'm not sure how evolved that technology is, and maybe there could be a combination of both where acquiring land is an issue.

KenW Loc: Portland OR

drainbamage wrote:

It may be that a physical wall will take a while to get accomplished as you say, but there is also the consideration of newer technology and virtual wall security...things like a network of cameras, sensors, communications tools and other equipment gives border crossers nowhere to hide. I'm not sure how evolved that technology is, and maybe there could be a combination of both where acquiring land is an issue.

I can buy into that idea as that is a more realistic approach to the problem of controlling how drugs get into the country, as for the those people we deem illegal, far more people overstay their visa's when they expire than do people crossing from Mexico. That's why I don't buy into a physical wall as it will not accomplish anything. Let us as Americans use that money to improve our infrastructure such as improving our roads, bridges, Dams and electrical grid. That's where we need the money the most, not some wall. You only need to ask the former East Germans how well their wall didn't work.