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Jan 29, 2018 09:06:17   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
alf85 wrote:
You are saying supermoon, if you are talking about the moon on Jan 31 2018, it is not a superoon, it is a Blue moon,so called because it is the second full moon of this month. Regards, Alfie.


I believe it is both: http://www.newsweek.com/super-blue-blood-moon-lunar-eclipse-how-where-793427

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Jan 29, 2018 09:08:49   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
alf85 wrote:
Hi, a little dot in the middle of the photo is not going to show much detail in the moon, you need to get up close. i shoot the moon at ISO100, f8, and start at 1/200sec and ajust the speed from there as needed. here are a few of my photos to show the results. I use a Nikon P900 camera. Regards, Alfie.


These were just test shots. Had I cropped more tightly on the moon, you would see detail in the last two images. I zoomed in at a 4:1 ratio and did see detail.

Your shots are quite good! Thank you.

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Jan 29, 2018 09:10:49   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
Jerry G wrote:
If you get up for moon set, according to Earthsky, it will be a super blue blood moon. Super moon because of it's closeness to Earth, a blue moon because it is the second full moon this month, and a blood moon because of a lunar eclipse.


Am I correct that the supermoon part happens when the moon rises? That was certainly the case in December.

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Jan 29, 2018 09:53:33   #
BassmanBruce Loc: Middle of the Mitten
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
So if I understand correctly, you’re saying to shoot on January 30th, but that won’t be a supermoon. Or did I misunderstand (again)?


Yes try the 30th, heck, try several nights in a row, it’s fun!
This chart shows most of the pertinent info, the 30th is only 1% less than full:


(Download)

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Jan 29, 2018 10:11:57   #
BassmanBruce Loc: Middle of the Mitten
 
Sun, moon chart here:
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/lansing

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Jan 29, 2018 10:19:35   #
Nikon1201
 
I shot the last moon at ISO 100 1/125 at f/11, perfect . this can be a starting point . The moon is so bright ISO 100 is good

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Jan 29, 2018 10:51:31   #
nikonkelly Loc: SE Michigan
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
On the last supermoon of 2017, I dropped my D500 on concrete, although I suppose that has nothing to do with this post, other than now that I have it back, I really want to nail some images of the upcoming supermoon, so I have done some practicing. These were shot with my D300s, but I do not see any way that would be causing my problems.

I want images that show detail in the supermoon and also some foreground detail. Without the foreground, you have no perspective showing the special look of the supermoon.

Please take the following into account:
1. These were shot at ISO 1600 and ISO 800. I will use a lower ISO for the actual event, but I was shooting handheld in these practice shotes, and I d not think my issues were caused by the high ISO settings, because I never maxed out my shutter speed.

2. These images are not sharp. I will be using a tripod for the actual supermoon.

3. These are raw images, but I did not process them at all. I only exported them to JPEG to post here.

My problem is any image with even a trace of foreground has the moon blown out, and anything that shows any detail in the moon is otherwise black. How can I achieve my goal of getting the detail in the moon without losing all of the foreground? I would greatly appreciate advice!

So here is what I have:
On the last supermoon of 2017, I dropped my D500 o... (show quote)




Please remember that the moon is 100% reflected light from the sun... so it is approximately 50% as bright as the sun. So the Moony 11 rule is a very good starting point... F11, ISO 100 and 1/100th second as a starting point. when you set your ISO to 800 of 1600, you are actually blowing out your shot. If you use your meter it will see all of the black in the view finder and average that into the calculation... and it will always blow out your image... just try the above settings and you will be within 1 stop at most from a great image.
Kelly

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Jan 29, 2018 10:54:37   #
alf85 Loc: Northumberland, UK.
 
Jerry G wrote:
If you get up for moon set, according to Earthsky, it will be a super blue blood moon. Super moon because of it's closeness to Earth, a blue moon because it is the second full moon this month, and a blood moon because of a lunar eclipse.


Thank you very much for your comment and info Jerry, my calendar just says blue moon, i will have to up date it.
Regards, Alfie.

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Jan 29, 2018 11:00:00   #
alf85 Loc: Northumberland, UK.
 


Thank you very much for your comment and info Jerry has just said the same thing, my calendar just says blue moon, i will have to up date it.
Regards, Alfie.

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Jan 29, 2018 11:08:48   #
Jerry G Loc: Waterford, Michigan and Florida
 
I can't find the exact times the moon is full, the moon is always full during a lunar eclipse, conversely it is always new during a solar eclipse. I'm sure it will be close enough to full at moon rise, I dought anyone would know the difference.

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Jan 29, 2018 11:20:19   #
Bozsik Loc: Orangevale, California
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
On the last supermoon of 2017, I dropped my D500 on concrete, although I suppose that has nothing to do with this post, other than now that I have it back, I really want to nail some images of the upcoming supermoon, so I have done some practicing. These were shot with my D300s, but I do not see any way that would be causing my problems.

I want images that show detail in the supermoon and also some foreground detail. Without the foreground, you have no perspective showing the special look of the supermoon.

Please take the following into account:
1. These were shot at ISO 1600 and ISO 800. I will use a lower ISO for the actual event, but I was shooting handheld in these practice shotes, and I d not think my issues were caused by the high ISO settings, because I never maxed out my shutter speed.

2. These images are not sharp. I will be using a tripod for the actual supermoon.

3. These are raw images, but I did not process them at all. I only exported them to JPEG to post here.

My problem is any image with even a trace of foreground has the moon blown out, and anything that shows any detail in the moon is otherwise black. How can I achieve my goal of getting the detail in the moon without losing all of the foreground? I would greatly appreciate advice!

So here is what I have:
On the last supermoon of 2017, I dropped my D500 o... (show quote)


Two exposures. Combine in post. If you desire detail in the foreground, you will want to capture shots of the foreground in focus. Then use the longest lens you have to capture the moon. Yes it will be a Blue, moon, Super moon, and here we will also experience the eclipse for the Blood moon in the morning. Approx 5am. First time in approx 150 years all three will take place.

Acquire series of the best shots you can of the moon. Then put them with any past or future image you want. Good luck.

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Jan 29, 2018 11:33:10   #
Traveller_Jeff
 
I like the concept of shooting the evening shot at a time different from your moon shot.

Others have different takes on this, but personally I like to set my ISO at 200 and then intentionally underexpose the moon drastically, shooting, say at f/8, and using a high shutter speed (I've often used speeds around 1/1000th of a second) I set my 55-300 mm zoom at maximum zoom. If you have a greater max than I do, so much the better. As you experiment with the speed settings, keep checking the detail on your screen. Don't worry about its looking underexposed. You'll adjust for that in Photoshop.
Once it's in Photoshop, I kick the magnification up to fill the screen, and to bring out detail. I then increase the exposure and brightness control, but also the BLACK control. That's the most important. It will heighten the contrast dramatically and bring out the details of the ridges and the "seas." Your last step, of course, would be to superimpose a layer containing that image upon your first evening shot, and use the control that brings your first shot to the foreground. Use the slider which controls the degree of transparency between the two layers. I'm looking forward to seeing your final image. Also, if you go to a Hedgehog issue of about three weeks ago, there's an interesting conversation between several photographers comparing how they shoot the moon. You might find their methods superior to mine. Good luck.

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Jan 29, 2018 12:40:14   #
RichieC Loc: Adirondacks
 
You will notice a loss of detail on a full moon, where as the very detailed images earlier in this post are because of not on;ly a proper exposure and focus etc... but the shadows present when the sun is coming from an angle to the moon, whereas with a full moon, it is "full" because the sun is almost directly behind you and thus much less pronounced shadows/detail in the various features in the moon surface.

Also note, the night sky is normally full of stars in every direction, but when the moon is exposed properly, space all around the moon is jet black, with no stars visible. To some, when this same phenomenon is displayed in shots from Apollo missions, this is proof we never landed on the moon ROFL> .

Put camera on a tripod, lock up mirror, very carefully focus- your lens is not at infinity at the stop, the real focus point is slightly backed off... and use a release... no movement at all! No wind, not from a deck, ( your shuffling feet will introduce vibration) etc. etc. all the settings people have correctly suggested above are more or less what you would shoot in full sunlight, because you are shooting a lightbulb! But your meter will sample and average all the dark. YOu can't use it. Foregrounds, stars even, etc can be layered in from other shots with exposure adjusted for them if you don't move anything, including focus.

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Jan 29, 2018 13:19:17   #
Jimmy T Loc: Virginia
 
Rab-Eye this youtube video is a "how to" and also demonstrates some free software to help you to produce some amazing results. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cGbbSx-Mug N-Joy! JimmyT
Rab-Eye wrote:
On the last supermoon of 2017, I dropped my D500 on concrete, although I suppose that has nothing to do with this post, other than now that I have it back, I really want to nail some images of the upcoming supermoon, so I have done some practicing. These were shot with my D300s, but I do not see any way that would be causing my problems.

I want images that show detail in the supermoon and also some foreground detail. Without the foreground, you have no perspective showing the special look of the supermoon.

Please take the following into account:
1. These were shot at ISO 1600 and ISO 800. I will use a lower ISO for the actual event, but I was shooting handheld in these practice shotes, and I d not think my issues were caused by the high ISO settings, because I never maxed out my shutter speed.

2. These images are not sharp. I will be using a tripod for the actual supermoon.

3. These are raw images, but I did not process them at all. I only exported them to JPEG to post here.

My problem is any image with even a trace of foreground has the moon blown out, and anything that shows any detail in the moon is otherwise black. How can I achieve my goal of getting the detail in the moon without losing all of the foreground? I would greatly appreciate advice!

So here is what I have:
On the last supermoon of 2017, I dropped my D500 o... (show quote)

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Jan 29, 2018 13:26:54   #
ewforbess Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
alf85 wrote:
You are saying supermoon, if you are talking about the moon on Jan 31 2018, it is not a superoon, it is a Blue moon,so called because it is the second full moon of this month. Regards, Alfie.


According to NASA, it is not only a blue moon, but also a supermoon and a blood moon if you are in an area where the lunar eclipse affects the observed color.

Lots of good information at https://www.space.com/39208-super-blue-blood-moon-guide.html

Good luck to all trying to capture it!

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