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Jan 28, 2018 17:32:45   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
On the last supermoon of 2017, I dropped my D500 on concrete, although I suppose that has nothing to do with this post, other than now that I have it back, I really want to nail some images of the upcoming supermoon, so I have done some practicing. These were shot with my D300s, but I do not see any way that would be causing my problems.

I want images that show detail in the supermoon and also some foreground detail. Without the foreground, you have no perspective showing the special look of the supermoon.

Please take the following into account:
1. These were shot at ISO 1600 and ISO 800. I will use a lower ISO for the actual event, but I was shooting handheld in these practice shotes, and I d not think my issues were caused by the high ISO settings, because I never maxed out my shutter speed.

2. These images are not sharp. I will be using a tripod for the actual supermoon.

3. These are raw images, but I did not process them at all. I only exported them to JPEG to post here.

My problem is any image with even a trace of foreground has the moon blown out, and anything that shows any detail in the moon is otherwise black. How can I achieve my goal of getting the detail in the moon without losing all of the foreground? I would greatly appreciate advice!

So here is what I have:

ISO 1600, 1/8@f/5.6. There is foreground detail, but the moon is blown out.
ISO 1600, 1/8@f/5.6. There is foreground detail, b...
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ISO 1600, 1/60@f/5.6. The foreground is almost completely gone, but the moon is still blown out.
ISO 1600, 1/60@f/5.6. The foreground is almost com...
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Now at ISO 800, 1/45@f/11. There is no foreground at all, and the moon is barely starting to show detail.
Now at ISO 800, 1/45@f/11. There is no foreground ...
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ISO 800, 1/400@f/11. No foreground at all, and perhaps acceptable detail in the moon.
ISO 800, 1/400@f/11. No foreground at all, and per...
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ISO 800, 1/1000@f/11. Finally getting very good detail in the moon, but everything else is completely black.
ISO 800, 1/1000@f/11. Finally getting very good de...
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Jan 28, 2018 17:39:54   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
On the last supermoon of 2017, I dropped my D500 on concrete, although I suppose that has nothing to do with this post, other than now that I have it back, I really want to nail some images of the upcoming supermoon, so I have done some practicing. These were shot with my D300s, but I do not see any way that would be causing my problems.

I want images that show detail in the supermoon and also some foreground detail. Without the foreground, you have no perspective showing the special look of the supermoon.

Please take the following into account:
1. These were shot at ISO 1600 and ISO 800. I will use a lower ISO for the actual event, but I was shooting handheld in these practice shotes, and I d not think my issues were caused by the high ISO settings, because I never maxed out my shutter speed.

2. These images are not sharp. I will be using a tripod for the actual supermoon.

3. These are raw images, but I did not process them at all. I only exported them to JPEG to post here.

My problem is any image with even a trace of foreground has the moon blown out, and anything that shows any detail in the moon is otherwise black. How can I achieve my goal of getting the detail in the moon without losing all of the foreground? I would greatly appreciate advice!

So here is what I have:
On the last supermoon of 2017, I dropped my D500 o... (show quote)


In one shot I am guessing more dynamic range is needed.
I believe what you want can only be done with 2 different exposures.
One for the moon and one of the rest of the scene.
This is what I have done and not sure if there is any other way.
My pro neighbor recommended this as the best way to obtain the desired results and it works.

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Jan 28, 2018 17:54:17   #
BassmanBruce Loc: Middle of the Mitten
 
To get some foreground with the moon it’s best to shoot at sunset the day before the moon is full.
I start at iso100, f8 or 10 and 1/125 and adjust my shutter speed from there. Have fun!

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Jan 28, 2018 17:58:49   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
Architect1776 wrote:
In one shot I am guessing more dynamic range is needed.
I believe what you want can only be done with 2 different exposures.
One for the moon and one of the rest of the scene.
This is what I have done and not sure if there is any other way.
My pro neighbor recommended this as the best way to obtain the desired results and it works.


Are you saying shoot a multiple exposure, or shoot two different images and combine them in post?

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Jan 28, 2018 17:59:32   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
BassmanBruce wrote:
To get some foreground with the moon it’s best to shoot at sunset the day before the moon is full.
I start at iso100, f8 or 10 and 1/125 and adjust my shutter speed from there. Have fun!


Bruce, you are saying to shoot two images and combine them later in post, correct?

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Jan 28, 2018 18:06:35   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
Are you saying shoot a multiple exposure, or shoot two different images and combine them in post?


Combine in post of two separate exposures.

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Jan 28, 2018 18:17:41   #
Shellback Loc: North of Cheyenne Bottoms Wetlands - Kansas
 
Shoot the moon -
Use the old standby LOONEY 11 RULE:

The “looney 11 rule” states that for astronomical photos of the Moon’s surface, set aperture to f/11 and shutter speed to the (reciprocal of the) ISO film speed (or ISO setting).”

With ISO 100, one sets the aperture to f/11 and the shutter speed to 1/100 or 1/125 second.
With ISO 200, aperture at f/11, set shutter speed to 1/200 or 1/250.
With ISO 400, aperture at f/11, set shutter speed to 1/400 or 1/500.

More ideas/tips/tricks:
Shaw Academy - How To Photograph The Moon: A Beginner’s Guide
Digital Photography School - 20 Dos and Don’ts for Shooting the Moon
TechRadar - How to photograph the moon: an easy way to shoot moon pictures full of detail
Light Stalking - How to Photograph the Moon (With 10 Great Examples)
Photography Life - How to photograph the moon
Popular Photography - How to photograph the moon
B&H Photo - 14 tips for shooting the moon
Picture Correct - Moon photography tips

Cambridge in Colour - Moon & Night Calculator

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Jan 28, 2018 18:35:41   #
BassmanBruce Loc: Middle of the Mitten
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
Bruce, you are saying to shoot two images and combine them later in post, correct?


No, the day before the moon is full it will rise with enough sunlight to get an exposure of both the moon and the foreground.
Also, it may be helpfull to pick a location and practice before the moon is just right as the foreground has to be a Long way from you. Mountains really help here to get the moon up above the horizon haze. Here in Michigan, that’s pretty tough to do.

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Jan 28, 2018 18:44:41   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
Architect1776 wrote:
Combine in post of two separate exposures.


Thank you!

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Jan 28, 2018 18:45:49   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
BassmanBruce wrote:
No, the day before the moon is full it will rise with enough sunlight to get an exposure of both the moon and the foreground.
Also, it may be helpfull to pick a location and practice before the moon is just right as the foreground has to be a Long way from you. Mountains really help here to get the moon up above the horizon haze. Here in Michigan, that’s pretty tough to do.


Same here in Indiana.

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Jan 28, 2018 18:47:40   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
Shellback wrote:
Shoot the moon -
Use the old standby LOONEY 11 RULE:

The “looney 11 rule” states that for astronomical photos of the Moon’s surface, set aperture to f/11 and shutter speed to the (reciprocal of the) ISO film speed (or ISO setting).”

With ISO 100, one sets the aperture to f/11 and the shutter speed to 1/100 or 1/125 second.
With ISO 200, aperture at f/11, set shutter speed to 1/200 or 1/250.
With ISO 400, aperture at f/11, set shutter speed to 1/400 or 1/500.

More ideas/tips/tricks:
Shaw Academy - How To Photograph The Moon: A Beginner’s Guide
Digital Photography School - 20 Dos and Don’ts for Shooting the Moon
TechRadar - How to photograph the moon: an easy way to shoot moon pictures full of detail
Light Stalking - How to Photograph the Moon (With 10 Great Examples)
Photography Life - How to photograph the moon
Popular Photography - How to photograph the moon
B&H Photo - 14 tips for shooting the moon
Picture Correct - Moon photography tips

Cambridge in Colour - Moon & Night Calculator
Shoot the moon - br Use the old standby LOONEY 11... (show quote)


That actually coincides pretty closely to the results of my test images. Thank you very much for that, and thank you so much for the useful links!

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Jan 28, 2018 23:14:47   #
Rab-Eye Loc: Indiana
 
BassmanBruce wrote:
No, the day before the moon is full it will rise with enough sunlight to get an exposure of both the moon and the foreground.
Also, it may be helpfull to pick a location and practice before the moon is just right as the foreground has to be a Long way from you. Mountains really help here to get the moon up above the horizon haze. Here in Michigan, that’s pretty tough to do.


So if I understand correctly, you’re saying to shoot on January 30th, but that won’t be a supermoon. Or did I misunderstand (again)?

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Jan 29, 2018 06:17:01   #
alf85 Loc: Northumberland, UK.
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
On the last supermoon of 2017, I dropped my D500 on concrete, although I suppose that has nothing to do with this post, other than now that I have it back, I really want to nail some images of the upcoming supermoon, so I have done some practicing. These were shot with my D300s, but I do not see any way that would be causing my problems.

I want images that show detail in the supermoon and also some foreground detail. Without the foreground, you have no perspective showing the special look of the supermoon.

Please take the following into account:
1. These were shot at ISO 1600 and ISO 800. I will use a lower ISO for the actual event, but I was shooting handheld in these practice shotes, and I d not think my issues were caused by the high ISO settings, because I never maxed out my shutter speed.

2. These images are not sharp. I will be using a tripod for the actual supermoon.

3. These are raw images, but I did not process them at all. I only exported them to JPEG to post here.

My problem is any image with even a trace of foreground has the moon blown out, and anything that shows any detail in the moon is otherwise black. How can I achieve my goal of getting the detail in the moon without losing all of the foreground? I would greatly appreciate advice!

So here is what I have:
On the last supermoon of 2017, I dropped my D500 o... (show quote)


Hi, a little dot in the middle of the photo is not going to show much detail in the moon, you need to get up close. i shoot the moon at ISO100, f8, and start at 1/200sec and ajust the speed from there as needed. here are a few of my photos to show the results. I use a Nikon P900 camera. Regards, Alfie.









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Jan 29, 2018 06:26:51   #
alf85 Loc: Northumberland, UK.
 
Rab-Eye wrote:
So if I understand correctly, you’re saying to shoot on January 30th, but that won’t be a supermoon. Or did I misunderstand (again)?


You are saying supermoon, if you are talking about the moon on Jan 31 2018, it is not a superoon, it is a Blue moon,so called because it is the second full moon of this month. Regards, Alfie.

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Jan 29, 2018 08:17:43   #
Jerry G Loc: Waterford, Michigan and Florida
 
If you get up for moon set, according to Earthsky, it will be a super blue blood moon. Super moon because of it's closeness to Earth, a blue moon because it is the second full moon this month, and a blood moon because of a lunar eclipse.

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