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Jan 16, 2018 07:25:11   #
Gene51 Loc: Yonkers, NY, now in LSD (LowerSlowerDelaware)
 
bpulv wrote:
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens on the basics of photography. Many of these people have no math skills and will not understand formulas. I need a graphic to show them how the f-stop numbers are related to focal length. I remember an illustration I saw many years ago where instead of showing head-on side-by-side views of diaphragms set to each f-stop (like almost all the illustrations I have found), it showed circles over layed on the centerline of an illustration of the lens to focal length distance to the film plane. E.g., f2.0 was illustrated with two circles each half the diameter of the focal length sided by side fitting the distance while f8.0, for example, had eight circles side by side on the line shown below. Each f-stop was shown in a series of separate similar drawings, one below the other on the same illustration.

I have spent hours with Google trying to find such an illustration without success. I do not have either the drafting skills or the software necessary to produce one myself. Could someone please direct me to a source for such an illustration or provide me one.

Thank you!
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens... (show quote)


You're gonna lose them. Make it and keep it simple. They don't need to know the "why" behind this, they just need to know how a combination of settings helps them make a picture and how changing one setting can provide a different "look" as long as a change is made other setting(s). They need to learn, because it is not intuitive, that smaller aperture numbers result in wider openings. The ISO thing and shutter speed thing is easier to grasp. Reciprocity is important, but I wouldn't call it that. I use the word "balance" which implies that if you have a good exposure and you let more light in by changing the aperture to a larger opening, you have to change the sensitivity and/or the shutter speed to let less light hit the sensor. And so on.

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Jan 16, 2018 07:36:52   #
mleuck
 
I am so happy I never had you as a teacher of anything!

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Jan 16, 2018 07:44:05   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
btbg wrote:
BHC has given you a viable option for what you are trying to teach. However, the point I would make is why are you trying to teach what you are posting about? They are senior citizens who just want to be able to take better photos.

Help them learn how to use their cell phones or the cameras that they own and then teach basic composition and lighting. They don't need to know theory, and probably aren't even interested in what you are proposing to teach. If you are not careful they will all lose interest before they get to take even one photo.

The ability to make a clean well focused, properly exposed image is what they want. That's what you should be teaching. Then once they are hooked on photography then you could teach theory to anyone who is really interested in that. I doubt that most will be.

My mother fits your demographic and she loves photography, but she could care less about theory. She just want to shoot the world around her.

Also don't be so condescending about about people's intellectual abilities. That generation is much more skilled in basic mathematics than current high school or college students.
BHC has given you a viable option for what you are... (show quote)


I agree. That's why I recommended using photos to show examples. But we are not teaching the class. One thing about a good teacher is that they are also able to learn.

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Jan 16, 2018 08:44:08   #
big-guy Loc: Peterborough Ontario Canada
 
I'm sorry but all this techno babble you are so willing to shove down... I mean impart to them is not why they are there. I teach many seniors and for a while tried to get them to understand but the reality is they just want to take better photos. I believe you should revamp your whole system to cover composition and lighting. This they can understand and will improve their results. Have them assess the light of a scene and then determine where to shoot to achieve a good result. Show them back, side and front lighting and try to get them to "look" at the light and not the cute subject. Show them the rule of thirds and all the varieties of it. When to choose landscape and when to choose portrait format. Lines, shapes, contrast and framing will all allow them to advance their skill level. Give them a small challenge each week/month whatever the time frame is and they will all revel in trying to achieve the goal. In time, some will try and comprehend the techno babble and you can then advance their knowledge. The rest just don't care about that aspect, they just want to have fun.

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Jan 16, 2018 08:47:05   #
Brent Rowlett Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
Its called the Triangle of Photography. Photoshop World had several presenters that had diagrams. I would contact Scott Kelby or staff, and I bet they have a book readily available for sale with all kinds of aids.

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Jan 16, 2018 10:00:14   #
kdogg Loc: Gallipolis Ferry WV
 
Go online to Pinterest and search for Potography Cheat Sheets there are many to chose from and one may be right for you. I did this for my sister when she was getting into photography and it helped her more than me trying to explain things over the phone,she lives 2 states away.

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Jan 16, 2018 10:09:22   #
markngolf Loc: Bridgewater, NJ
 
Not sure this attachment will offer specific diagrams, but it is quite comprehensive and provides links for each topic.
I have frequently thought of doing this at my Condo community. I have run PC classes.
I might suggest doing a quick survey of the audience to find out their objectives in taking the course. Their responses may provide a better direction for the course contents.
I taught for 40 years (mathematics in NJ)

Good luck with your course.
Mark

bpulv wrote:
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens on the basics of photography. Many of these people have no math skills and will not understand formulas. I need a graphic to show them how the f-stop numbers are related to focal length. I remember an illustration I saw many years ago where instead of showing head-on side-by-side views of diaphragms set to each f-stop (like almost all the illustrations I have found), it showed circles over layed on the centerline of an illustration of the lens to focal length distance to the film plane. E.g., f2.0 was illustrated with two circles each half the diameter of the focal length sided by side fitting the distance while f8.0, for example, had eight circles side by side on the line shown below. Each f-stop was shown in a series of separate similar drawings, one below the other on the same illustration.

I have spent hours with Google trying to find such an illustration without success. I do not have either the drafting skills or the software necessary to produce one myself. Could someone please direct me to a source for such an illustration or provide me one.

Thank you!
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens... (show quote)

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Jan 16, 2018 10:35:10   #
unlucky2 Loc: Hemet Ca.
 
not the graphic you requested, but maybe of some use. I use this as a hand out in our meet-ups, mostly for seniors who suffer from "CRS" and don't we all. https://www.hongkiat.com/blog/cheetsheets-for-photographers/
bpulv wrote:
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens on the basics of photography. Many of these people have no math skills and will not understand formulas. I need a graphic to show them how the f-stop numbers are related to focal length. I remember an illustration I saw many years ago where instead of showing head-on side-by-side views of diaphragms set to each f-stop (like almost all the illustrations I have found), it showed circles over layed on the centerline of an illustration of the lens to focal length distance to the film plane. E.g., f2.0 was illustrated with two circles each half the diameter of the focal length sided by side fitting the distance while f8.0, for example, had eight circles side by side on the line shown below. Each f-stop was shown in a series of separate similar drawings, one below the other on the same illustration.

I have spent hours with Google trying to find such an illustration without success. I do not have either the drafting skills or the software necessary to produce one myself. Could someone please direct me to a source for such an illustration or provide me one.

Thank you!
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens... (show quote)

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Jan 16, 2018 11:05:12   #
lloydl2 Loc: Gilbert, AZ
 
bpulv wrote:
That would work for showing depth of field, but I am trying to show the relation of f-stop to focal length; i.e., how the f-numbers are derived without going into hard mathematics.


I also teach basic digital photography and my view is you are over complicating this, especially for that age group.. The point I try to drive home is that each full f stop let's in twice or half as much light and I depict this with an image of aperture openings of full fstops ranging from F1.4 to f22 or so the image is of the various diaphragm openings. I then talk generally about the depth of field aspects of f stops and focal lengths without getting into the math. Finally I refer to available phone apps that will provide dof values for various focal lengths and apertures. It seems to satisfy my students which run in age from low 20 - 75 or so.

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Jan 16, 2018 11:21:12   #
epd1947
 
bpulv wrote:
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens on the basics of photography. Many of these people have no math skills and will not understand formulas. I need a graphic to show them how the f-stop numbers are related to focal length. I remember an illustration I saw many years ago where instead of showing head-on side-by-side views of diaphragms set to each f-stop (like almost all the illustrations I have found), it showed circles over layed on the centerline of an illustration of the lens to focal length distance to the film plane. E.g., f2.0 was illustrated with two circles each half the diameter of the focal length sided by side fitting the distance while f8.0, for example, had eight circles side by side on the line shown below. Each f-stop was shown in a series of separate similar drawings, one below the other on the same illustration.

I have spent hours with Google trying to find such an illustration without success. I do not have either the drafting skills or the software necessary to produce one myself. Could someone please direct me to a source for such an illustration or provide me one.

Thank you!
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens... (show quote)


When I have explained the exposure triangle I usually start out in very general terms and then gradually flesh out the settings with specifics once the concepts are clear.

For example - I would generally start out defining what we mean by "exposure" - very simple terms - how light or dark the photo is - too much exposure the photo is way too light and washed out - too little exposure the photo is way too dark and muddy looking - somewhere in between we find the "correct" exposure where the photo appears the way we want it to appear.

Next - more light into the camera results in more exposure and a lighter photo - cut back on that light getting into the camera and the photo is rendered darker.

What are the controls on the camera that regulated how much light gets into the camera?
1. Lens aperture - which is a measure of the size of the opening in the lens - bigger opening allows more light into the camera - compare to a round window on a ship (porthole) - bigger window, more light - smaller window, less light
2. how long we allow light to enter the camera - longer period of time, more light enters - lesser period of time, less light enters
Combo of the two determines how much light overall can enter.

How sensitive is the camera (or more specifically the CCD or CMOS sensor) to light - introduce concept of ISO as a measure of how sensitive the camera will be to the light entering the camera.

So far - no numbers or mathematical ideas used at all.

Once the basic concepts are clear - introduce the idea that the end result on exposure is a combination of the factors just introduced. I have found that a useful (as well as very easy to draw) diagram is as follows:

Draw three vertical lines side by side - label the three as ISO, Aperture, Time (Shutter Speed)
Draw about a half dozen hash marks to divide each vertical line into segments (make sure the hash marks all line up and are equally spaced
Indicate that as we move upward on any of these lines the photo will get lighter and when we move downward the photo gets darker
Now define each hash mark as a doubling of light for each hash mark in the upward direction or a halving for each notch downward.
Put a check mark next to one hash mark on each line (somewhere around the middle in each case) and ask the class to assume that this combo is the "correct" exposure
Now point out that a move up on any one will result in a lighter photo and a move down will darken the photo
Next concept - if we move up one of the factors by say 3 notches (leaving the others alone) the photo will get much lighter (and probably washed out) - We can correct for the now too light photo by moving either of the other two factors (or both in combo) a total of 3 notches down to achieve the same exposure as we originally had - just a different combo of the 3 factors. (Note: I often compare this to using a wall mounted dimmer switch some of which you slide up or down to change the light.)
Now flesh out the diagram with the numbers - Highest ISO, Widest Aperture and Slowest Shutter Speed at the top of each vertical line.
The "math" is really pretty simple and intuitive for ISO as well as shutter speed
For aperture - seems counter-intuitive so you will need to point out that the aperture settings are actually in the form of fractions - the top number is represented by "f" and does not vary unless you use a different focal length - so as the bottom number gets larger the value of the fraction gets smaller (as in smaller diameter lens opening letting in less light) - make the concept simple by using the slicing of a pie as an illustration - the whole pie is "1" in the numerator - as we cut the pie into more pieces (4 pieces, versus 6 pieces, versus 8 pieces) the size of the pieces get smaller.
Last concept - there are many combos of aperture, shutter speed and ISO that will give us the same "exposure" but not really an identical photo - this is where you explain how aperture effects depth of field, how shutter speed impacts motion (or lack thereof) in the photo - subject movement and/or camera movement implications, and how ISO effects overall image quality (noise, etc.)
Anyhow - hope this is helpful to you.

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Jan 16, 2018 11:53:46   #
marine73 Loc: Modesto California
 
Create an in depth Instructors lesson plan, this should anticipate any questions that the students may have. Practice your presentation before giving it to your class, fine tune it with each presentation you give from the questions that you are asked. Your presentation should be smooth flowing and answer any questions before they are asked. If you are asked a question and don't know the answer, your response should be I don't know but will get an answer for you, and make sure your follow up with them. Be truthful with them.

Here is an example: I work for a major airline and in 2002 our engineering dept started looking at computer software for our maintenance documents for the technicians. They went to our in house education department and asked them to create a class, the ed department told them it would take a min. of 18 months to create a class. Engineering then asked if any of the DST (Designated Station Trainers) could develop a class and how long it would take. I was the second one to take up the challenge after the first one quit his job. I gave them a time frame of 30 days and that I would need complete and full access to the program. I had a workable lesson plan with training aids and hand outs within 20 days, however engineering was not ready to roll out the program to the people that would be using it. I took that time to keep refining the instructors manual, training aids, handouts and exercise book. My final product was The instructors manual was 400+ pages, The students manual was 200 pages and the exercise booklet had 20 exercises in it covering everything from the most basic to and in depth exercise that would be above what they would be authorized to do. What was unique about this is that I was the author of the training materials, the instructor and the tech support. I was the only instructor from 2002 to 2013 and it got to the point that engineering was coming to be for help. I was so familiar with the program that I could answer questions in my sleep and this did happen on a couple of occasions. And their were times that I did not have a solution right away and had to work on it.

Here is how I would approach this class:

Find out what the students are interested in doing ie snapshots, landscape, wildlife, portraits, etc
Decide on how much time you want to spend on teaching; i.e 1 hour, 1 day, 1 week, a month etc.
Keep it simple
Keep the class time short. Do multiple sessions if necessary. Short class times keeps the interest level up
Have training aids for use in the class. Develop your own. This will be based on what they are wanting to learn
Have handouts for the students that will cover the topic in a condensed format/version
Develop exercise that would cover at least one of the topic in that days class session. This is like a homework assignment.
Have the students bring copies to the next class for critique. Pick the worst, the best and in between as examples of what to do and not do. Do not spend a lot of time on this before going into the next subject matter.
Have a period for questions and answer, or let them know that you will answer questions through out the class session or after class
Be willing to help them with any difficulties that they are having
Most of all go out there and have fun photographing the world as they see it

I hope this helps. Teaching a class is not as simple as people assume it to be, it takes a lot of prep work before getting into the classroom

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Jan 16, 2018 12:31:00   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
BebuLamar wrote:
Are you sure that some of them don’t hane a PHD in mathematics?

No PhD but a major

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Jan 16, 2018 12:33:39   #
rfmaude41 Loc: Lancaster, Texas (DFW area)
 
bpulv wrote:
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens on the basics of photography. Many of these people have no math skills and will not understand formulas. I need a graphic to show them how the f-stop numbers are related to focal length. I remember an illustration I saw many years ago where instead of showing head-on side-by-side views of diaphragms set to each f-stop (like almost all the illustrations I have found), it showed circles over layed on the centerline of an illustration of the lens to focal length distance to the film plane. E.g., f2.0 was illustrated with two circles each half the diameter of the focal length sided by side fitting the distance while f8.0, for example, had eight circles side by side on the line shown below. Each f-stop was shown in a series of separate similar drawings, one below the other on the same illustration.

I have spent hours with Google trying to find such an illustration without success. I do not have either the drafting skills or the software necessary to produce one myself. Could someone please direct me to a source for such an illustration or provide me one.

Thank you!
I am preparing to teach a class to senior citizens... (show quote)


Take a look at these to get some ideas:

https://photographylife.com/lens-aperture-chart
http://shuttermuse.com/what-is-aperture-in-photography/
https://www.phototraces.com/photography-tips/f-stop-chart/

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Jan 16, 2018 12:51:03   #
rbmitch123
 
Look at Pintrest. They have tons of charts.

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Jan 16, 2018 13:02:40   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
If it's just the basics of photography, then point-and-shoot on Auto would be enough. That's pretty basic. So what you're teaching is how cameras work. Lots of people take very nice pictures without knowing much about that. Assuming they have a camera, that might be all they need, to know how their particular camera works. The details can come later.

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