Sorry dude, but that is just getting asinine. Canada is a province of Iceland.

In days of old, paper, glass, lenses, and even the camera boxes started to be sold instead of being constructed by the photographer. There were few standards though. It was easier to produce many glass plates the same size than multiple sizes. And then George Eastman designed and started selling his camera loaded with cellulose film. After that, other camera makers started selling their cameras with the same size film as Eastman. Then movie cameras came along.

Because movie cameras used Eastman's patented cellulose film, it became standardized at 36mm wide and was named 35mm film. Soon, still cameras were developed that used 35mm film, basically as a way to test for the film. As the quality of the film became better, 35mm became a standard format. Kodak's larger cameras using 2 1/4 x 2 1/4 became the 120, larger 645 became Medium format, and 8x10 and larger became large format. Other formats were tried but none survived as viable.

By the 1960s, 35mm became the camera of choice for photojournalists. Range Finders were slowly replaced by Single Lens Reflex and interchangeable lenses. Most 35mm cameras allowed some user adjustment. Soon 120 cameras became obsolete and medium and large formats became the venue of art and professional photographers.

With the advent of digital, the manufacturers used their 35mm lenses and just altered the bodies to make consumer cameras. The 35mm size remained the standard, or full frame size. Cameras that use smaller sensors but the same 35mm lens produce the same picture. For a "cropped" sensor the photo is approximately 1/3 cropped around the perimeter. Smaller sensors crop even more.

So if you are concerned about the standard size sensor being named "Full Frame", that sucks. There is a lot more in the world that keeps me awake at night than the recent adaptation of a standard.

BTW, that is the super condensed summary.

I did not expect this long drawn out thread.

I wonder would have happened if I start a thread with 'my beef with beef'.

I stated why I feel FF is a non starter as folks IRL get confused.

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As to the autistic guess. I cannot answer yes or no but it is pretty close to what I think of myself. This is not an excuse or justification though.

I just do not understand why some folks refuse to abide to simple rules. I certainly will not go and piss in someone's sink when or if I am a guest somewhere. There is a room for that, it has different names from 'loo' to 'outhouse' (as someone mentioned ~ wrong comparison 'over time/history' by the way).

FF = Full frame. FF is NOT 24x36. In Nikon jargon 24x36 is FX. 'Cropped sensors' are DX cameras*.

FF confusion started long ago when folks compared not the sensor but the field of view and came with 'Oh! It is a cropped view of a regular 24x36 camera'.

Blame this on folks who did the explanation for not clearing up the conceptual mistake.

Every camera, regardless of what the heck it is, from an old cell phone to the most advanced medium format, is a FF camera. Meaning the full sensor array is used.

Unlike ACA and Obama care being the same (but perceived as different) FF and 24x36 are not the same at all (but perceived as identical).

Yet FF is used left and right, referring to the wrong thing 99% of the time.

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Call me a fool for bringing this up time and time again but I just do not understand why folks are not getting it.


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* Among other smaller formats.

FF = Full frame. FF is NOT 24x36. In Nikon jargon 24x36 is FX. 'Cropped sensors' are DX cameras*.

FF confusion started long ago when folks compared not the sensor but the field of view and came with 'Oh! It is a cropped view of a regular 24x36 camera'.

Blame this on folks who did the explanation for not clearing up the conceptual mistake.

Every camera, regardless of what the heck it is, from an old cell phone to the most advanced medium format, is a FF camera. Meaning the full sensor array is used.

Unlike ACA and Obama care being the same (but perceived as different) FF and 24x36 are not the same at all (but perceived as identical).

Yet FF is used left and right, referring to the wrong thing 99% of the time.

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Call me a fool for bringing this up time and time again but I just do not understand why folks are not getting it.


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* Among other smaller formats.

I did not expect this long drawn out thread.

I wonder would have happened if I start a thread with 'my beef with beef'.

I stated why I feel FF is a non starter as folks IRL get confused.

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As to the autistic guess. I cannot answer yes or no but it is pretty close to what I think of myself. This is not an excuse or justification though.

I just do not understand why some folks refuse to abide to simple rules. I certainly will not go and piss in someone's sink when or if I am a guest somewhere. There is a room for that, it has different names from 'loo' to 'outhouse' (as someone mentioned ~ wrong comparison 'over time/history' by the way).