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Jan 11, 2018 14:09:44   #
Rongnongno (a regular here)
 
FF = Full frame. FF is NOT 24x36. In Nikon jargon 24x36 is FX. 'Cropped sensors' are DX cameras*.

FF confusion started long ago when folks compared not the sensor but the field of view and came with 'Oh! It is a cropped view of a regular 24x36 camera'.

Blame this on folks who did the explanation for not clearing up the conceptual mistake.

Every camera, regardless of what the heck it is, from an old cell phone to the most advanced medium format, is a FF camera. Meaning the full sensor array is used.

Unlike ACA and Obama care being the same (but perceived as different) FF and 24x36 are not the same at all (but perceived as identical).

Yet FF is used left and right, referring to the wrong thing 99% of the time.

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Call me a fool for bringing this up time and time again but I just do not understand why folks are not getting it.


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* Among other smaller formats.
 
Jan 11, 2018 14:13:40   #
chaman
 
Overthinking much?
Jan 11, 2018 14:15:12   #
rmalarz (a regular here)
 
Good point. A technicality, but still a valid point.
--Bob
Rongnongno wrote:
FF = Full frame. FF is NOT 24x36. In Nikon jargon 24x36 is FX. 'Cropped sensors' are DX cameras.

FF confusion started long ago when folks compared not the sensor but the field of view and came with 'Oh! It is a cropped view of a regular 24x36 camera'.

Blame this on folks who did the explanation for not clearing up the conceptual mistake.

Every camera, regardless of what the heck it is, from an old cell phone to the most advanced medium format, is a FF camera. Meaning the full sensor array is used.

Unlike ACA and Obama being the same FF and 24x36 are not the same at all.

Yet FF is used left and right, referring to the wrong thing 99% of the time.

----
Call me a fool for bringing this up time and time again but I just do not understand why folks are not getting it.
FF = Full frame. FF is NOT 24x36. In Nikon jargo... (show quote)
Jan 11, 2018 14:18:19   #
BebuLamar (a regular here)
 
Rongnongno wrote:
FF = Full frame. FF is NOT 24x36. In Nikon jargon 24x36 is FX. 'Cropped sensors' are DX cameras.

FF confusion started long ago when folks compared not the sensor but the field of view and came with 'Oh! It is a cropped view of a regular 24x36 camera'.

Blame this on folks who did the explanation for not clearing up the conceptual mistake.

Every camera, regardless of what the heck it is, from an old cell phone to the most advanced medium format, is a FF camera. Meaning the full sensor array is used.

Unlike ACA and Obama being the same FF and 24x36 are not the same at all.

Yet FF is used left and right, referring to the wrong thing 99% of the time.

----
Call me a fool for bringing this up time and time again but I just do not understand why folks are not getting it.
FF = Full frame. FF is NOT 24x36. In Nikon jargo... (show quote)


Did you check with SS about this? Well in this case I don't think he would know but I agree with you. I hate the fact that many treat the 24x36mm format as a standard all others are measured by like stating focal length in 35mm equivalent. Why didn't anyone state focal length in 110, 126 equivalent?
Jan 11, 2018 14:21:06   #
jackinkc
 
A “full frame” digital camera is, indeed, 24X36mm.
Jan 11, 2018 14:21:41   #
lamiaceae (a regular here)
 
Rongnongno wrote:
FF = Full frame. FF is NOT 24x36. In Nikon jargon 24x36 is FX. 'Cropped sensors' are DX cameras.

FF confusion started long ago when folks compared not the sensor but the field of view and came with 'Oh! It is a cropped view of a regular 24x36 camera'.

Blame this on folks who did the explanation for not clearing up the conceptual mistake.

Every camera, regardless of what the heck it is, from an old cell phone to the most advanced medium format, is a FF camera. Meaning the full sensor array is used.

Unlike ACA and Obama being the same FF and 24x36 are not the same at all.

Yet FF is used left and right, referring to the wrong thing 99% of the time.

----
Call me a fool for bringing this up time and time again but I just do not understand why folks are not getting it.
FF = Full frame. FF is NOT 24x36. In Nikon jargo... (show quote)


It is just terminology, however flawed. Don't worry about it. Those of us, like you that know about this are the ones that matter anyway.
My back ground is in Science (mostly Biology & Chemistry), if I worried about every ridiculous term or the historical reason for the term, I'd still be in my first college science class from 1974. I do question things a lot but I know when to turn that off. I get it, Full What (Format) Frame? Peace.
 
Jan 11, 2018 14:22:50   #
Rongnongno (a regular here)
 
jackinkc wrote:
A “full frame” digital camera is, indeed, 24X36mm.

Read above. It is not. A FF camera is a camera that uses the whole sensor. ALL DO.
Jan 11, 2018 14:26:34   #
chaman
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Read above. It is not. A FF camera is a camera that uses the whole sensor. ALL DO.


For the love of God. Like almost every term, its arbitrary. It could have been called "full ketchup" camera. The official definition is indeed that a FF is equivalent to 35mm in film or 24x36. As said before its overthinking.
Jan 11, 2018 14:32:55   #
TheDman (a regular here)
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-frame_digital_SLR
Jan 11, 2018 14:46:54   #
Gene51 (a regular here)
 
Rongnongno wrote:
FF = Full frame. FF is NOT 24x36. In Nikon jargon 24x36 is FX. 'Cropped sensors' are DX cameras*.

FF confusion started long ago when folks compared not the sensor but the field of view and came with 'Oh! It is a cropped view of a regular 24x36 camera'.

Blame this on folks who did the explanation for not clearing up the conceptual mistake.

Every camera, regardless of what the heck it is, from an old cell phone to the most advanced medium format, is a FF camera. Meaning the full sensor array is used.

Unlike ACA and Obama care being the same (but perceived as different) FF and 24x36 are not the same at all (but perceived as identical).

Yet FF is used left and right, referring to the wrong thing 99% of the time.

----
Call me a fool for bringing this up time and time again but I just do not understand why folks are not getting it.


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* Among other smaller formats.
FF = Full frame. FF is NOT 24x36. In Nikon jargo... (show quote)


Agreed. A full frame camera was my old Deardoff 11x14 sheet film camera. Everything else is tiny by comparison. But for the sake of convention, I think the industry has standardized on anything withing a percentage point or two of 24x36 as a full frame.
Jan 11, 2018 14:49:50   #
lamiaceae (a regular here)
 
chaman wrote:
For the love of God. Like almost every term, its arbitrary. It could have been called "full ketchup" camera. The official definition is indeed that a FF is equivalent to 35mm in film or 24x36. As said before its overthinking.


That was partially my point too.
 
Jan 11, 2018 14:54:21   #
Rongnongno (a regular here)
 
TheDman wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-frame_digital_SLR

And everything on wikipedia is to be taken as what? The ultimate definition of 'collective knowledge'? You are not going far with that one. Korea is part of Canada if you listen to some folks...
Jan 11, 2018 14:56:37   #
TheDman (a regular here)
 
Rongnongno wrote:
And everything on wikipedia is to be taken as what?


The consensus.
Jan 11, 2018 14:57:19   #
ricardo7
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Read above. It is not. A FF camera is a camera that uses the whole sensor. ALL DO.


What cameras use less than the whole sensor?
Jan 11, 2018 14:57:37   #
lamiaceae (a regular here)
 
Gene51 wrote:
Agreed. A full frame camera was my old Deardoff 11x14 sheet film camera. Everything else is tiny by comparison. But for the sake of convention, I think the industry has standardized on anything withing a percentage point or two of 24x36 as a full frame.


Good point Gene. From 1980 to 1983 I made some 8,000 8x10" negatives. Yes, everything is cropped compared to 11x14". Actually we had a 20x24" vertical copy camera were I worked but we had a 8x10" reduction back made and shot various films from Plus-x Pro to Vericolor III to Contrast Process Ortho with it instead of the intended 20x24" Kodalith film.
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