geodowns wrote:
Let's open another can of worms to rant on. Way back for 50+ years the only camera I had was a Nikon Ftn, all manual everything. You had to know your stuff, you had to be quick, focus, click... with no previews of your shot to look at. You had a box of filters for every occasions, than you were at the mercy of the lab to do a good job or do it yourself, print it yourself, fix it yourself. Now even a $5000 camera can point and shot. Times have change. I feel like an old fighter pilot with all the glory story's in the past. Young wepersnapers don't have a clue what its like to really be good with the old stuff. Really missing that old Ftn, but someone really wanted it, so I sold it all. Now armed with digital for 15 years, the old cockpits where all analog, mechanical. Now the new cockpits are glass, computers etc. Camera have gone the same route. They take.... I mean capture (sorry) scenes better then the eye can see. Point...&... Shoot. That was easy. Do some creative photoshop and voila, better than the real thing. OK I'll let someone pick this thing apart now. And I still like B17s better than Tanks.
Let's open another can of worms to rant on. Way ba... (
show quote)
Geo, welcome to the Hog!
I find that most of those old film fighter pilots couldn't shoot then and they're no better now, at least not by the crappy shots they post here. It seems the older they get the better they were!! You're welcome to prove me wrong but most can't!
Most little girls today with a Canon Rebel and an MFA can shoot down all those old pilots like she's the Red Barron.
Not to mention that all those old pilots STRUGGLE with glass plate, unlike easy film!! LoL
Who cares what you used to do and how....., what have you done lately?!?!
God I get tired of these long winded imposters, post the proof, that's where the rubber hits the road!!!!!!! đź“·đź“·đź“·
SS
nostalgia! wonderful. I do sometimes wonder what would we do if society loses all of the modern technology. would we be able to re-invent everything?
I agree, and I upped my game but what happens is that a new camera was needed to keep up with technology. Back in the film day it was new film. National Geography always noted the film they used, so that's what we used. Then I discovered I could print right from positive slide film from the enlarger. loved that.
I did say, I'm opening a can of worm.
Peterff
Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
geodowns wrote:
I did say, I'm opening a can of worm.
Only one worm? I hope it's a big one!
Right on... I did say I sold my film camera.
I see posts like this from time to time and wanted to throw this out there. As someone who started with film, shooting thinking like Pentax K1000 and Nikon FM2 bodies - as well as 6x7 Pentax cameras, I'm no stranger to manual only operation.
And I wouldn't go back for anything.
Sure, the cameras were simpler, but the truth is, they just weren't capable of the consistent captures that today's cameras can do in the right hands and with the right configurations. I love action / bird in flight shots, but my hit rate is WAY higher today than it was in the film and manual focus era. Sure, you'd get a great shot here and there, but it just wasn't possible to get the consistency and number of keepers we get today. Plus, with the camera doing some of the heavy lifting (like focusing for instance), I'm free to concentrate on things like composition, watching backgrounds, etc.
IMO, we are in the "good old days" of photography right now.
boberic
Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
geodowns wrote:
Let's open another can of worms to rant on. Way back for 50+ years the only camera I had was a Nikon Ftn, all manual everything. You had to know your stuff, you had to be quick, focus, click... with no previews of your shot to look at. You had a box of filters for every occasions, than you were at the mercy of the lab to do a good job or do it yourself, print it yourself, fix it yourself. Now even a $5000 camera can point and shot. Times have change. I feel like an old fighter pilot with all the glory story's in the past. Young wepersnapers don't have a clue what its like to really be good with the old stuff. Really missing that old Ftn, but someone really wanted it, so I sold it all. Now armed with digital for 15 years, the old cockpits where all analog, mechanical. Now the new cockpits are glass, computers etc. Camera have gone the same route. They take.... I mean capture (sorry) scenes better then the eye can see. Point...&... Shoot. That was easy. Do some creative photoshop and voila, better than the real thing. OK I'll let someone pick this thing apart now. And I still like B17s better than Tanks.
Let's open another can of worms to rant on. Way ba... (
show quote)
As you. I learned my skills (however meager) with a Spotmatic, gave it away and bought a Canon F-1. Spent many pleasant hours in my darkroom. 4 years ago- sold all my film stuff and went digital. Sure the old stuff was purely mechanical, but a digital can be set to full manual, so all those skills can still be excersized. Just because digital cameras have all those bells and whistles doesn't mean they must be used.
Steve Perry wrote:
I see posts like this from time to time and wanted to throw this out there. As someone who started with film, shooting thinking like Pentax K1000 and Nikon FM2 bodies - as well as 6x7 Pentax cameras, I'm no stranger to manual only operation.
And I wouldn't go back for anything.
Sure, the cameras were simpler, but the truth is, they just weren't capable of the consistent captures that today's cameras can do in the right hands and with the right configurations. I love action / bird in flight shots, but my hit rate is WAY higher today than it was in the film and manual focus era. Sure, you'd get a great shot here and there, but it just wasn't possible to get the consistency and number of keepers we get today. Plus, with the camera doing some of the heavy lifting (like focusing for instance), I'm free to concentrate on things like composition, watching backgrounds, etc.
IMO, we are in the "good old days" of photography right now.
I see posts like this from time to time and wanted... (
show quote)
Wildlife is one area in which film can not compete. Sports another area. Very true. For me, film still has a place for general travel and family. Maybe habit or familiarity. I just like the look of my home developed B&W film. And the limited post development time to get the look I want. Often nothing more than a scan. I am not trying to convince anyone here. Just my experience to date.
Like many here, I learned using film, with equipment that was mostly manual in nature. As I think back on it, I recall that my instructors primarily focused on the expressive skills of photography. Yes, they explained the ins and outs of getting a proper exposure, how to deal with tricky light situations, and how to control for depth of field, etc., but the main emphasis was always on the expressive, artistic aspects of the resulting photographs. Good composition, using light to create mood, the use of light, dark, or color to create an image that communicated effectively was always stressed over the mechanics. “Real photographers” were those who mastered those artistic elements.
OK, times change. Today many of the mechanical aspects of photography can be handled effectively through automation. Many of the procedures and decisions of the past can be delegated to the electronic brain of modern digital equipment, if one so chooses. But, I would argue that it is still the mastery of the artistic elements that distinguishes the “real photographers” from the others. Artistic competence trumps mechanical proficiency every time.
I know some (not saying all, mind you) photographers in my camera club who have shot for fifty plus years. They wear the mantle of the totally manual, film and chemicals, good old days, like a badge of honor. Unfortunately, the images they produce are pretty consistently... well, crap. They are not what I would consider, “real photographers”. On the other hand, there are also a number of members that quite often shoot in auto mode, and are still learning many of the mechanical aspects of photography. Yet, the images they present are, more often than not, dynamic, artistically sound, compelling. They have “the eye”. They are “real photographers”.
At least, that’s the way I see it.
I have no idea why we are going backwards. Photography and equipment is so much better today
then when I started back in 1960. I remember those times, and do want to relive them.
Captain Al
You have to understand that time does not stand still. Technology does not either. Before we had manual cameras with an exposure meter incorporated we had manual cameras and hand held primitive exposure meters. We handled to get great shots. I am not going to talk about large format cameras. They were a pain and still we had to use wisely our hand held exposure meter. Optical darkroom was the rule and as you said, when shooting color we were at the mercy of a lab technician.
I started photographing more than 55 years ago and I remember my first camera, a Petri rangefinder with a hand held selenium cell meter. Talk about nightmare!
Of course we miss those cameras but new technologies are simply fascinating. We never dreamed we could do the things we do today with camera and editing software and we could easily be awe in another 5 years at the technologically advanced cameras and lenses waiting for us.
Cheer up, we are living extraordinarily great times for our hobby.
I understand that.My favorite camera was the Pentax K1000.I owned two of them.(wore one out).The digital cameras make me feel like the Lone Ranger.I just keep shooting and never run out of bullets.
If you want to reply, then
register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.