Ugly Hedgehog - Photography Forum
Home Active Topics Newest Pictures Search Login Register
Main Photography Discussion
Real photographers
Page <prev 2 of 16 next> last>>
Dec 22, 2017 20:39:10   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
geodowns wrote:
Let's open another can of worms to rant on. Way back for 50+ years the only camera I had was a Nikon Ftn, all manual everything. You had to know your stuff, you had to be quick, focus, click... with no previews of your shot to look at. You had a box of filters for every occasions, than you were at the mercy of the lab to do a good job or do it yourself, print it yourself, fix it yourself. Now even a $5000 camera can point and shot. Times have change. I feel like an old fighter pilot with all the glory story's in the past. Young wepersnapers don't have a clue what its like to really be good with the old stuff. Really missing that old Ftn, but someone really wanted it, so I sold it all. Now armed with digital for 15 years, the old cockpits where all analog, mechanical. Now the new cockpits are glass, computers etc. Camera have gone the same route. They take.... I mean capture (sorry) scenes better then the eye can see. Point...&... Shoot. That was easy. Do some creative photoshop and voila, better than the real thing. OK I'll let someone pick this thing apart now. And I still like B17s better than Tanks.
Let's open another can of worms to rant on. Way ba... (show quote)


Geo, welcome to the Hog!
I find that most of those old film fighter pilots couldn't shoot then and they're no better now, at least not by the crappy shots they post here. It seems the older they get the better they were!! You're welcome to prove me wrong but most can't!
Most little girls today with a Canon Rebel and an MFA can shoot down all those old pilots like she's the Red Barron.
Not to mention that all those old pilots STRUGGLE with glass plate, unlike easy film!! LoL
Who cares what you used to do and how....., what have you done lately?!?!
God I get tired of these long winded imposters, post the proof, that's where the rubber hits the road!!!!!!! đź“·đź“·đź“·
SS

Reply
Dec 22, 2017 20:42:36   #
bobramewe
 
E.L.. Shapiro wrote:
When you get right down to the basics of photography, nothing has changed all that much. Once you cut through all the high tech automation, unnecessary bells and whistles, advertising hype and techno-babble there are only three controls of any significance in every adjustable camera and lens; aperture, shutter speed and focus. If the “photographer” is really a photographer and fully understands and MASTERS the multiple and interrelated functions of theses three adjustments, he or she can produce, create and enable a myriad of effects, moods, and images only limited by one's imagination. Many great and even iconic images were made with simple decent gear. Many photography enthusiasts are just too preoccupied with gear and would do better (photographically) to concentrate on simplicity and really learning their craft.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with today's high tech automated equipment. It just makes things more convenient at times. The savvy photographer knows how to maximize the usage of this automation by manipulating it to their own requirements or totally bypassing theses programs and adjusting things manually.

There is no automation to replace artistry. Elements such as composition, aesthetics, “seeing” and applying the dynamic of light are all talents, perhaps inborn traits, however, even those who are fortunate enough to posses theses attributes still need to develop theses talents and learn the craftsmanship and technology.

I have spent many decades in the film era and admittedly, I do miss certain aspects of the craftsmanship. There is little use, however, in pining for the good old days, perhaps, in retrospect they were old but not all that “good”. Besides, how can one revert to the film era when most of the film, fine papers and chemistry are no longer in production. One would spend more time trying to acquire whatever is still around, mixing scratch chemistry and basically living in the past, than shooting and creating images.

All of the camera handling and image management of film cameras can be related to digital gear and all of the aesthetics of analog darkroom work can be translated to post processing and editing.

There is still no technology to replace patience and hard work.
When you get right down to the basics of photograp... (show quote)




Reply
Dec 22, 2017 21:09:49   #
toxdoc42
 
nostalgia! wonderful. I do sometimes wonder what would we do if society loses all of the modern technology. would we be able to re-invent everything?

Reply
 
 
Dec 22, 2017 21:18:00   #
geodowns Loc: Yale, Michigan
 
I agree, and I upped my game but what happens is that a new camera was needed to keep up with technology. Back in the film day it was new film. National Geography always noted the film they used, so that's what we used. Then I discovered I could print right from positive slide film from the enlarger. loved that.

Reply
Dec 22, 2017 21:21:15   #
geodowns Loc: Yale, Michigan
 
I did say, I'm opening a can of worm.

Reply
Dec 22, 2017 21:25:48   #
Peterff Loc: O'er The Hills and Far Away, in Themyscira.
 
geodowns wrote:
I did say, I'm opening a can of worm.


Only one worm? I hope it's a big one!

Reply
Dec 22, 2017 21:30:09   #
geodowns Loc: Yale, Michigan
 
Right on... I did say I sold my film camera.

Reply
 
 
Dec 22, 2017 22:18:29   #
tdekany Loc: Oregon
 
crazydaddio wrote:
Still need to see the photo in your mind and make the settings in the camera create it....the brain hasn't had an upgrade that I am aware of.....
...I have not seen a $5000 camera in auto take a much better pic than a good iPhone (Sports and low-light notwithstanding) but in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing....magic.
It can all be done faster however as you noted (shoot, chimp, adjust, reshoot, download, tweak, send over internet)



Reply
Dec 22, 2017 23:45:38   #
Steve Perry Loc: Sylvania, Ohio
 
I see posts like this from time to time and wanted to throw this out there. As someone who started with film, shooting thinking like Pentax K1000 and Nikon FM2 bodies - as well as 6x7 Pentax cameras, I'm no stranger to manual only operation.

And I wouldn't go back for anything.

Sure, the cameras were simpler, but the truth is, they just weren't capable of the consistent captures that today's cameras can do in the right hands and with the right configurations. I love action / bird in flight shots, but my hit rate is WAY higher today than it was in the film and manual focus era. Sure, you'd get a great shot here and there, but it just wasn't possible to get the consistency and number of keepers we get today. Plus, with the camera doing some of the heavy lifting (like focusing for instance), I'm free to concentrate on things like composition, watching backgrounds, etc.

IMO, we are in the "good old days" of photography right now.

Reply
Dec 23, 2017 00:00:55   #
boberic Loc: Quiet Corner, Connecticut. Ex long Islander
 
geodowns wrote:
Let's open another can of worms to rant on. Way back for 50+ years the only camera I had was a Nikon Ftn, all manual everything. You had to know your stuff, you had to be quick, focus, click... with no previews of your shot to look at. You had a box of filters for every occasions, than you were at the mercy of the lab to do a good job or do it yourself, print it yourself, fix it yourself. Now even a $5000 camera can point and shot. Times have change. I feel like an old fighter pilot with all the glory story's in the past. Young wepersnapers don't have a clue what its like to really be good with the old stuff. Really missing that old Ftn, but someone really wanted it, so I sold it all. Now armed with digital for 15 years, the old cockpits where all analog, mechanical. Now the new cockpits are glass, computers etc. Camera have gone the same route. They take.... I mean capture (sorry) scenes better then the eye can see. Point...&... Shoot. That was easy. Do some creative photoshop and voila, better than the real thing. OK I'll let someone pick this thing apart now. And I still like B17s better than Tanks.
Let's open another can of worms to rant on. Way ba... (show quote)


As you. I learned my skills (however meager) with a Spotmatic, gave it away and bought a Canon F-1. Spent many pleasant hours in my darkroom. 4 years ago- sold all my film stuff and went digital. Sure the old stuff was purely mechanical, but a digital can be set to full manual, so all those skills can still be excersized. Just because digital cameras have all those bells and whistles doesn't mean they must be used.

Reply
Dec 23, 2017 00:29:21   #
whwiden
 
Steve Perry wrote:
I see posts like this from time to time and wanted to throw this out there. As someone who started with film, shooting thinking like Pentax K1000 and Nikon FM2 bodies - as well as 6x7 Pentax cameras, I'm no stranger to manual only operation.

And I wouldn't go back for anything.

Sure, the cameras were simpler, but the truth is, they just weren't capable of the consistent captures that today's cameras can do in the right hands and with the right configurations. I love action / bird in flight shots, but my hit rate is WAY higher today than it was in the film and manual focus era. Sure, you'd get a great shot here and there, but it just wasn't possible to get the consistency and number of keepers we get today. Plus, with the camera doing some of the heavy lifting (like focusing for instance), I'm free to concentrate on things like composition, watching backgrounds, etc.

IMO, we are in the "good old days" of photography right now.
I see posts like this from time to time and wanted... (show quote)


Wildlife is one area in which film can not compete. Sports another area. Very true. For me, film still has a place for general travel and family. Maybe habit or familiarity. I just like the look of my home developed B&W film. And the limited post development time to get the look I want. Often nothing more than a scan. I am not trying to convince anyone here. Just my experience to date.

Reply
 
 
Dec 23, 2017 01:39:26   #
Photographer Jim Loc: Rio Vista, CA
 
Like many here, I learned using film, with equipment that was mostly manual in nature. As I think back on it, I recall that my instructors primarily focused on the expressive skills of photography. Yes, they explained the ins and outs of getting a proper exposure, how to deal with tricky light situations, and how to control for depth of field, etc., but the main emphasis was always on the expressive, artistic aspects of the resulting photographs. Good composition, using light to create mood, the use of light, dark, or color to create an image that communicated effectively was always stressed over the mechanics. “Real photographers” were those who mastered those artistic elements.

OK, times change. Today many of the mechanical aspects of photography can be handled effectively through automation. Many of the procedures and decisions of the past can be delegated to the electronic brain of modern digital equipment, if one so chooses. But, I would argue that it is still the mastery of the artistic elements that distinguishes the “real photographers” from the others. Artistic competence trumps mechanical proficiency every time.

I know some (not saying all, mind you) photographers in my camera club who have shot for fifty plus years. They wear the mantle of the totally manual, film and chemicals, good old days, like a badge of honor. Unfortunately, the images they produce are pretty consistently... well, crap. They are not what I would consider, “real photographers”. On the other hand, there are also a number of members that quite often shoot in auto mode, and are still learning many of the mechanical aspects of photography. Yet, the images they present are, more often than not, dynamic, artistically sound, compelling. They have “the eye”. They are “real photographers”.

At least, that’s the way I see it.

Reply
Dec 23, 2017 05:34:39   #
Al Freeedman
 
I have no idea why we are going backwards. Photography and equipment is so much better today
then when I started back in 1960. I remember those times, and do want to relive them.

Captain Al

Reply
Dec 23, 2017 05:55:20   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
You have to understand that time does not stand still. Technology does not either. Before we had manual cameras with an exposure meter incorporated we had manual cameras and hand held primitive exposure meters. We handled to get great shots. I am not going to talk about large format cameras. They were a pain and still we had to use wisely our hand held exposure meter. Optical darkroom was the rule and as you said, when shooting color we were at the mercy of a lab technician.
I started photographing more than 55 years ago and I remember my first camera, a Petri rangefinder with a hand held selenium cell meter. Talk about nightmare!
Of course we miss those cameras but new technologies are simply fascinating. We never dreamed we could do the things we do today with camera and editing software and we could easily be awe in another 5 years at the technologically advanced cameras and lenses waiting for us.
Cheer up, we are living extraordinarily great times for our hobby.

Reply
Dec 23, 2017 05:56:23   #
Smokeys65 Loc: Tennessee
 
I understand that.My favorite camera was the Pentax K1000.I owned two of them.(wore one out).The digital cameras make me feel like the Lone Ranger.I just keep shooting and never run out of bullets.

Reply
Page <prev 2 of 16 next> last>>
If you want to reply, then register here. Registration is free and your account is created instantly, so you can post right away.
Main Photography Discussion
UglyHedgehog.com - Forum
Copyright 2011-2024 Ugly Hedgehog, Inc.