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Dec 13, 2017 09:14:19   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
dennis2146 wrote:


Hopefully we will be rid of Trump in about seven more years.

Dennis



A better outcome would be for conservatives to produce a candidate with a modicum of integrity and maturity, and for a sitting POTUS to lose his party's primaries for maybe the first time in history.

Rid of Trump in 3 years with an actual conservative replacement would be far better than enduring 7 more years of this shit show.

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Dec 13, 2017 09:18:08   #
KGOldWolf
 
mwalsh wrote:
A better outcome would be for conservatives to produce a candidate with a modicum of integrity and maturity, and for a sitting POTUS to lose his party's primaries for maybe the first time in history.

Rid of Trump in 3 years with an actual conservative replacement would be far better than enduring 7 more years of this shit show.


ABSOLUTELY! That’s why instead of voting either of the two seriously flawed candidates, I wrote in a Romney / Huntsman ticket... and will likely do so again next election.

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Dec 13, 2017 09:21:42   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
KGOldWolf wrote:
We cannot set aside his petulance, childish tweeting and crude behavior because his role as President is to lead and these characteristics permeate his decisions. He poorly represents the people of the US and clearly is not a good role model. He and his antics have harmed US long term interests because he is: a liar, a coward, a hypocrite, an unreliable ally, a xenophobe, a misogynist, a panderer, and is intentionally divisive. He blames others, claims success by reversing existing decisions without offering a better solution, he refuses to take responsibility for his actions, a poor judge of character, he is lazy, and finally he attempts to rule as Monarch issuing fiats to the people. I can show you vivid, valid examples of each of these character flaws but the real issue is that they exist and therefore affect each of his decisions.

If by "economic success" you mean the stock market rally, yes, I do think he is responsible for it because he clearly signaled he was pro-business and talked about dismantling controls that Wall Street considers impediments to increased profits. However, this is not a good decision in many cases. The economy is not so easily changed; it is like a fully loaded oceanic supertanker... it takes a very long time to change course. Unemployment has been steadily decreasing for the past several years, consumer confidence has been growing for several years and so forth so no, I do not consider him responsible for the economic recovery.

I am glad that he has stood up to North Korea, Iran, and has attempted to renegotiate unfavorable deals that were made by prior administrations (not just Obama's) However, his approach to doing these things is inflammatory, confrontational, irresponsible and dangerous. In other words, good goals poorly executed.

Telling people he would "build the wall and get Mexico to pay for it" was an absurd lie that few if any believed. He condemned China as a currency manipulator and then visited China and sucked up to them singing a completely different tune. He claimed credit for huge trade deals but they were not deals; they were letters of intent for which negotiations were already in process and yet remain unconfirmed. He promised to replace the ACA so that no one would be hurt and premiums would be reduced. He had no plan for achieving that, he merely said what he thought people wanted to hear... in other words he pandered to the population. He then blamed Congress for failing to pass a bill having offered no substantive guidance though he said he had a plan. His Cabinet appointments are terrible and are nothing but cronyism. Mnuchin was a shameful opportunist during the housing collapse and now lies about the effects of the new tax plan, Flynn was a criminal and will likely flip on Trump, DeVos has no experience in Education, Zinke is anti-EPA and is already rolling over for the energy industry, Perry (Energy Sec.) is on record as previously saying the Energy Dept. should be abolished, Sessions is an incompetent sycophant who is holding on because it's the best job he'll ever have and will take any form of Trump's public abuse just to keep it, Tillerson is a good guy but inexperienced and the State Dept. is falling apart due to high-level, experienced management departures and so on. These people should be developing policies but they are not and so Trump administration policies are woefully lacking.

That's just for starters but I've already taken too much space on this board.
We cannot set aside his petulance, childish tweeti... (show quote)


This is one of the best snapshots of reality yet posted on this photography site!

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Dec 13, 2017 09:23:40   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Twardlow wrote:
Of course there is no evidence, Idiot! the investigation continues! You don’t announce evidence as you find it, but you investigate!!

When as many facts are known as is possible, responsibility sits down to reflect, then charge those whom evidence suggests have committed a crime. That is, responsible charges of those with violations are formally produced. These are charges of willful violation of the law, and they must be capable of enumeration and defense in a formal proceeding, that being a Formal Trial in A Court of Law. By The End of Such a Proceeding, Truth as the Prosecurtor sees it will come out and a Jury will decide upon the result.
Of course there is no evidence, Idiot! the investi... (show quote)


Then maybe you need to call Diane Feinstein an idiot for making her statement rather than me. Perhaps you need to take some more medication to calm down. I do not call you names nor anyone else and I will be damned if you will call me names. Either grow up and act like a man or don’t bother to reply to my posts. You continue to put me and my opinions down but you don’t know any more about this investigation than I do. Yet you continue to demean me. Why? Are you incapable of discussing something you disagree with? That would seem to be your problem so do not bring me into it.

Dennis

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Dec 13, 2017 09:26:55   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
KGOldWolf wrote:
Please identify the basis upon which you make the claim "Huma Abedin has close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood". That is a very serious charge and I would like to know about it.


Have you looked at Huma Abedin on the Internet?I believe you will find her family is high in The Muslim Brotherhood. Oh and check out Valerie Jarrett as well.

Dennis

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Dec 13, 2017 09:27:27   #
KGOldWolf
 
mwalsh wrote:
This is one of the best snapshots of reality yet posted on this photography site!


Thank you; I consider it high praise indeed coming from you.

Ken

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Dec 13, 2017 09:28:12   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I just watched a video yesterday where James Comey went over what Hillary did wrong. You are correct in that he did not accuse her of violating the law. He called it reckless behavior of not having a secure server, and she did not use good judgement as to her handling of top secret information. But there does not need to be criminal intent to be convicted of mishandling top secret information. Just the act is sufficient. Hillary did mishandle top secret information as did her attorney and Huma Abedin. Yet nothing happened. Do you really think the tarmac meeting was to discuss grandchildren?

Did you honestly not see both of them on television saying it was the video that started the attack? I did.

I still wonder what happened to the video maker. He was put in jail to support the Obama/Hillary narrative of Benghazi; I would think a clear violation of his Constitutional rights.

I appreciate your comments but do not agree.

Dennis
I just watched a video yesterday where James Comey... (show quote)



I am no expert on the statutes in question. I do understand the legal concept that intent is not required. However, Comey stated that under the statutes in question, intent is specifically required. Maybe he lied about that, but I will take his word for it.

Hillary was sloppy and careless at best in her handling of sensitive emails. She also stinks of corruption. I will not state that she broke the law on the email issue based on the publicly available information.

I would like to see it objectively investigated however.

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Dec 13, 2017 09:29:49   #
KGOldWolf
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Have you looked at Huma Abedin on the Internet?I believe you will find her family is high in The Muslim Brotherhood. Oh and check out Valerie Jarrett as well.

Dennis


Ok, will do. I thought I’d give you the opportunity to lay it out for me and others. I’ll be researching each of the them.

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Dec 13, 2017 09:48:37   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
Re H Abedin "close ties" to the nefarious Muslim Brotherhood:

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2016/sep/14/sean-duffy/top-hillary-clinton-aide-has-ties-muslim-brotherho/

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/292310-huma-abedins-ties-to-the-muslim-brotherhood

http://www.snopes.com/huma-abedin-ties-to-terrorists/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/08/25/does-huma-abedin-have-ties-to-the-muslim-brotherhood/?utm_term=.76256f1195a6

I guess it depends on what your definition of "close" is.

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Dec 13, 2017 09:52:13   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
KGOldWolf wrote:
We cannot set aside his petulance, childish tweeting and crude behavior because his role as President is to lead and these characteristics permeate his decisions. He poorly represents the people of the US and clearly is not a good role model. He and his antics have harmed US long term interests because he is: a liar, a coward, a hypocrite, an unreliable ally, a xenophobe, a misogynist, a panderer, and is intentionally divisive. He blames others, claims success by reversing existing decisions without offering a better solution, he refuses to take responsibility for his actions, a poor judge of character, he is lazy, and finally he attempts to rule as Monarch issuing fiats to the people. I can show you vivid, valid examples of each of these character flaws but the real issue is that they exist and therefore affect each of his decisions.

If by "economic success" you mean the stock market rally, yes, I do think he is responsible for it because he clearly signaled he was pro-business and talked about dismantling controls that Wall Street considers impediments to increased profits. However, this is not a good decision in many cases. The economy is not so easily changed; it is like a fully loaded oceanic supertanker... it takes a very long time to change course. Unemployment has been steadily decreasing for the past several years, consumer confidence has been growing for several years and so forth so no, I do not consider him responsible for the economic recovery.

I am glad that he has stood up to North Korea, Iran, and has attempted to renegotiate unfavorable deals that were made by prior administrations (not just Obama's) However, his approach to doing these things is inflammatory, confrontational, irresponsible and dangerous. In other words, good goals poorly executed.

Telling people he would "build the wall and get Mexico to pay for it" was an absurd lie that few if any believed. He condemned China as a currency manipulator and then visited China and sucked up to them singing a completely different tune. He claimed credit for huge trade deals but they were not deals; they were letters of intent for which negotiations were already in process and yet remain unconfirmed. He promised to replace the ACA so that no one would be hurt and premiums would be reduced. He had no plan for achieving that, he merely said what he thought people wanted to hear... in other words he pandered to the population. He then blamed Congress for failing to pass a bill having offered no substantive guidance though he said he had a plan. His Cabinet appointments are terrible and are nothing but cronyism. Mnuchin was a shameful opportunist during the housing collapse and now lies about the effects of the new tax plan, Flynn was a criminal and will likely flip on Trump, DeVos has no experience in Education, Zinke is anti-EPA and is already rolling over for the energy industry, Perry (Energy Sec.) is on record as previously saying the Energy Dept. should be abolished, Sessions is an incompetent sycophant who is holding on because it's the best job he'll ever have and will take any form of Trump's public abuse just to keep it, Tillerson is a good guy but inexperienced and the State Dept. is falling apart due to high-level, experienced management departures and so on. These people should be developing policies but they are not and so Trump administration policies are woefully lacking.

That's just for starters but I've already taken too much space on this board.
We cannot set aside his petulance, childish tweeti... (show quote)


No, not so much. Rationality and information and informed opinion are welcome and necessary. Thank you for your contribution.

Let us hear more from you!

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Dec 13, 2017 09:54:37   #
letmedance Loc: Walnut, Ca.
 
Just what is informed opinion Tom, is it only opinion that supports your beliefs?

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Dec 13, 2017 09:57:46   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I do believe the FBI did NOT do a thorough and professional investigation. I believe Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch talked about more than grandchildren during their tarmac meeting. I believe James Comey could have requested charges be filed against Hillary rather than say she was reckless and showed poor judgement in her handling of top secret information. Top secret information was found on Hillary’s attorney’s laptop as well as Huma Abedin’s laptop, clearly a serious violation yet nobody was charged. Huma Abedin has close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood yet nobody on the Left seems to be bothered by that.

Dennis
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I think I will have to accept the FBI and its actions to your ‘opinions.’ What you believe about Bill and Loretta is your opinion, but, absent formal charges, that is all it is. It is Comey’s duty to decide whom to charge and whom not. Those decisions occur each and every day to prosecutors.

You could be arrested ten times an hour as you walk down the street, but prosecutors usually let such minor violations as jay-walking etc go. You must know that.

You have empty ideas festering in your imagination, ideas that are not your duty to prosecute; that’s why we have professional prosecutors.

You concerns, uninformed, vacuous, and irresponsible are the concerns of professionals, and the professionals have spoken.

Give it a break.

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Dec 13, 2017 09:58:52   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
dljen wrote:
Thank you, we, the rationals in America, are so ashamed of this president and those he surrounds himself. He wants to destroy our country and is working hard to do so. For the most part, we are not like him, he doesn't know history, he doesn't read, he's slid through life feeling entitled because he inherited millions. He's not a good businessman, not a negotiator and has poor judgement when choosing ppl to fill positions. He's been under investigation by several agencies since well before he was elected. He's our nation's embarrassment, elected on a fluke because there were a lot of ppl who didn't do their research and believed his carnival barking. He's a mean, bitter man and we hope he's out of office soon. He's a lousy experiment that the minority of our citizens chose.
Thank you, we, the rationals in America, are so as... (show quote)


I back this opinion 100%!

Well done....

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Dec 13, 2017 10:01:05   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I have never seen a more whining sniveling post. We Conservatives put up with your Socialist POS, Obama, for eight long years as he gave millions to our enemies in Palestine and protected Muslims every step of the way. We put up with Eric Holder not doing his job protecting America yet withholding information during the investigation of a Border Patrolman. We put up with Lois Lerner going after Conservative organizations. We endured scandals of the GSA spending tax dollars on lavish parties and get always; scandals of dying veterans due to VA hospital leaders falsifying records, keeping two sets of books to protect themselves. Obama did his best to divide whites from blacks and blacks from the police. He kept a record number of people on welfare rather than promote jobs. Those are just a few of the things Obama did to ruin America.

Yet you whine and bitch because Trump is already doing more to make America great once again than Obama did in his eight years of destroying America.

Thank you for the personal insults. It only makes my day knowing you think that way about me. I would not want any different.

Dennis
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You conservatives don’t even know what a socialist POS is; you always speak from a vivid imagination tinged with ignorance.

You lead a rich but dangerous fantasy life.

Stop letting unreality fester, and get on with your life.

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Dec 13, 2017 10:03:52   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
dennis2146 wrote:
Then maybe you need to call Diane Feinstein an idiot for making her statement rather than me. Perhaps you need to take some more medication to calm down. I do not call you names nor anyone else and I will be damned if you will call me names. Either grow up and act like a man or don’t bother to reply to my posts. You continue to put me and my opinions down but you don’t know any more about this investigation than I do. Yet you continue to demean me. Why? Are you incapable of discussing something you disagree with? That would seem to be your problem so do not bring me into it.

Dennis
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Dennis, go away. Reality is running away with you, to your detriment.

You think you’re thinking, but you’re only masturbating.

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