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Dec 13, 2017 08:19:28   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
And just what laws would they be? If broken she would have been prosecuted.

Your desire to see someone prosecuted is a result of your not having read or researched the topic.

In short, you are arguing out of ignorance!

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Dec 13, 2017 08:23:07   #
APB Loc: UK
 
Viewed from the outside - Trump appears to be the worst incarnation of the brash American with none of the saving graces of kindness and hospitality I have always encountered when visiting USA.
He is a laughing stock among other nations who view his tweets with something approaching disbelief.

He appears to want to re-write history as it happening for example all that nonsense about the size of the crowd at his inauguration being greater than that for Obama when the TV broadcasts were there for the world to see and his comments on tape regarding his attitude towards women, hispanics and muslims.

His level of ignorance and inability to master a brief, especially during recent trips to the Middle East where he confused places and names, suggests he is solely focussed on maintaining the big 'I am' persona and continuing the bullying antics which were so in evidence during the period of the election campaign.

But the again what do I know - I only read the London Times and listen to the BBC - those well known purveyors of fake news.

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Dec 13, 2017 08:25:57   #
APB Loc: UK
 
APB wrote:
Viewed from the outside - Trump appears to be the worst incarnation of the brash American with none of the saving graces of kindness and hospitality I have always encountered when visiting USA.
He is a laughing stock among other nations who view his tweets with something approaching disbelief.

He appears to want to re-write history as it happens, for example all that nonsense about the size of the crowd at his inauguration being greater than that for Obama when the TV broadcasts were there for the world to see, and his comments on tape regarding his attitude towards women, hispanics and muslims.

His level of ignorance and inability to master a brief, especially during recent trips to the Middle East where he confused places and names, suggests he is solely focussed on maintaining the big 'I am' persona and continuing the bullying antics which were so in evidence during the period of the election campaign.

But the again what do I know - I only read the London Times and listen to the BBC - those well known purveyors of fake news.
Viewed from the outside - Trump appears to be the ... (show quote)

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Dec 13, 2017 08:31:42   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
APB wrote:
Viewed from the outside - Trump appears to be the worst incarnation of the brash American with none of the saving graces of kindness and hospitality I have always encountered when visiting USA.
He is a laughing stock among other nations who view his tweets with something approaching disbelief.

He appears to want to re-write history as it happening for example all that nonsense about the size of the crowd at his inauguration being greater than that for Obama when the TV broadcasts were there for the world to see and his comments on tape regarding his attitude towards women, hispanics and muslims.

His level of ignorance and inability to master a brief, especially during recent trips to the Middle East where he confused places and names, suggests he is solely focussed on maintaining the big 'I am' persona and continuing the bullying antics which were so in evidence during the period of the election campaign.

But the again what do I know - I only read the London Times and listen to the BBC - those well known purveyors of fake news.
Viewed from the outside - Trump appears to be the ... (show quote)


This man is right on, and witnesses our suffering and our demise.

May the Fates help us or gift us with a quick and clean death....

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Dec 13, 2017 08:32:34   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
gorgehiker wrote:
At this point in the ongoing investigation, no one other than Mueller and others inside the investigation know exactly what has been proven or not proven. Everyone else, including you, is just guessing. I am amazed at how many "experts" think they know exactly what is going on inside the investigation and try to state so positively that Trump is innocent or guilty. Let's be patient and wait for the release of the findings.


And I have said the same thing all along. But my reply was to Twardlow who had said the exact opposite. Perhaps you missed that post. I do know that Diane Feinstein has said a few times that there is no evidence showing any evidence against Trump.

Dennis

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Dec 13, 2017 08:41:13   #
Twardlow Loc: Arkansas
 
dennis2146 wrote:
And I have said the same thing all along. But my reply was to Twardlow who had said the exact opposite. Perhaps you missed that post. I do know that Diane Feinstein has said a few times that there is no evidence showing any evidence against Trump.

Dennis


Of course there is no evidence, Idiot! the investigation continues! You don’t announce evidence as you find it, but you investigate!!

When as many facts are known as is possible, responsibility sits down to reflect, then charge those whom evidence suggests have committed a crime. That is, responsible charges of those with violations are formally produced. These are charges of willful violation of the law, and they must be capable of enumeration and defense in a formal proceeding, that being a Formal Trial in A Court of Law. By The End of Such a Proceeding, Truth as the Prosecurtor sees it will come out and a Jury will decide upon the result.

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Dec 13, 2017 08:43:36   #
KGOldWolf
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
So, setting his petulance, childish tweeting and crude behavior aside, what do you dislike about his policies, and do you think he deserves no credit for the current economic success this country is having?


We cannot set aside his petulance, childish tweeting and crude behavior because his role as President is to lead and these characteristics permeate his decisions. He poorly represents the people of the US and clearly is not a good role model. He and his antics have harmed US long term interests because he is: a liar, a coward, a hypocrite, an unreliable ally, a xenophobe, a misogynist, a panderer, and is intentionally divisive. He blames others, claims success by reversing existing decisions without offering a better solution, he refuses to take responsibility for his actions, a poor judge of character, he is lazy, and finally he attempts to rule as Monarch issuing fiats to the people. I can show you vivid, valid examples of each of these character flaws but the real issue is that they exist and therefore affect each of his decisions.

If by "economic success" you mean the stock market rally, yes, I do think he is responsible for it because he clearly signaled he was pro-business and talked about dismantling controls that Wall Street considers impediments to increased profits. However, this is not a good decision in many cases. The economy is not so easily changed; it is like a fully loaded oceanic supertanker... it takes a very long time to change course. Unemployment has been steadily decreasing for the past several years, consumer confidence has been growing for several years and so forth so no, I do not consider him responsible for the economic recovery.

I am glad that he has stood up to North Korea, Iran, and has attempted to renegotiate unfavorable deals that were made by prior administrations (not just Obama's) However, his approach to doing these things is inflammatory, confrontational, irresponsible and dangerous. In other words, good goals poorly executed.

Telling people he would "build the wall and get Mexico to pay for it" was an absurd lie that few if any believed. He condemned China as a currency manipulator and then visited China and sucked up to them singing a completely different tune. He claimed credit for huge trade deals but they were not deals; they were letters of intent for which negotiations were already in process and yet remain unconfirmed. He promised to replace the ACA so that no one would be hurt and premiums would be reduced. He had no plan for achieving that, he merely said what he thought people wanted to hear... in other words he pandered to the population. He then blamed Congress for failing to pass a bill having offered no substantive guidance though he said he had a plan. His Cabinet appointments are terrible and are nothing but cronyism. Mnuchin was a shameful opportunist during the housing collapse and now lies about the effects of the new tax plan, Flynn was a criminal and will likely flip on Trump, DeVos has no experience in Education, Zinke is anti-EPA and is already rolling over for the energy industry, Perry (Energy Sec.) is on record as previously saying the Energy Dept. should be abolished, Sessions is an incompetent sycophant who is holding on because it's the best job he'll ever have and will take any form of Trump's public abuse just to keep it, Tillerson is a good guy but inexperienced and the State Dept. is falling apart due to high-level, experienced management departures and so on. These people should be developing policies but they are not and so Trump administration policies are woefully lacking.

That's just for starters but I've already taken too much space on this board.

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Dec 13, 2017 08:45:34   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
BobHartung wrote:
You mean the FBI don't you?


I do believe the FBI did NOT do a thorough and professional investigation. I believe Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch talked about more than grandchildren during their tarmac meeting. I believe James Comey could have requested charges be filed against Hillary rather than say she was reckless and showed poor judgement in her handling of top secret information. Top secret information was found on Hillary’s attorney’s laptop as well as Huma Abedin’s laptop, clearly a serious violation yet nobody was charged. Huma Abedin has close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood yet nobody on the Left seems to be bothered by that.

Dennis

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Dec 13, 2017 08:47:44   #
KGOldWolf
 
dennis2146 wrote:
I do believe the FBI did NOT do a thorough and professional investigation. I believe Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch talked about more than grandchildren during their tarmac meeting. I believe James Comey could have requested charges be filed against Hillary rather than say she was reckless and showed poor judgement in her handling of top secret information. Top secret information was found on Hillary’s attorney’s laptop as well as Huma Abedin’s laptop, clearly a serious violation yet nobody was charged. Huma Abedin has close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood yet nobody on the Left seems to be bothered by that.

Dennis
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Please identify the basis upon which you make the claim "Huma Abedin has close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood". That is a very serious charge and I would like to know about it.

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Dec 13, 2017 08:49:42   #
dljen Loc: Central PA
 
APB wrote:
Viewed from the outside - Trump appears to be the worst incarnation of the brash American with none of the saving graces of kindness and hospitality I have always encountered when visiting USA.
He is a laughing stock among other nations who view his tweets with something approaching disbelief.

He appears to want to re-write history as it happening for example all that nonsense about the size of the crowd at his inauguration being greater than that for Obama when the TV broadcasts were there for the world to see and his comments on tape regarding his attitude towards women, hispanics and muslims.

His level of ignorance and inability to master a brief, especially during recent trips to the Middle East where he confused places and names, suggests he is solely focussed on maintaining the big 'I am' persona and continuing the bullying antics which were so in evidence during the period of the election campaign.

But the again what do I know - I only read the London Times and listen to the BBC - those well known purveyors of fake news.
Viewed from the outside - Trump appears to be the ... (show quote)


Thank you, we, the rationals in America, are so ashamed of this president and those he surrounds himself. He wants to destroy our country and is working hard to do so. For the most part, we are not like him, he doesn't know history, he doesn't read, he's slid through life feeling entitled because he inherited millions. He's not a good businessman, not a negotiator and has poor judgement when choosing ppl to fill positions. He's been under investigation by several agencies since well before he was elected. He's our nation's embarrassment, elected on a fluke because there were a lot of ppl who didn't do their research and believed his carnival barking. He's a mean, bitter man and we hope he's out of office soon. He's a lousy experiment that the minority of our citizens chose.

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Dec 13, 2017 08:54:59   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
dennis2146 wrote:
And I have said the same thing all along. But my reply was to Twardlow who had said the exact opposite. Perhaps you missed that post. I do know that Diane Feinstein has said a few times that there is no evidence showing any evidence against Trump.

Dennis


Care to quote her? in context?

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Dec 13, 2017 09:00:56   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
Twardlow wrote:
Exactly so! but lost on Dennis, for whom logic is pig Latin, bodily gas is mother’s milk, responsibility is irresponsibility, heat freezes water, cutting taxes increases revenues, short is fat, and tall is October.

If Mueller were dropping hints about the investigation, the right would go wild in indignation; now they simply go wild.

When Mueller learns all he can, he will produce such charges as he can defend and prove in court, and they will refer to whomever he has evidence against; all will be clear.

If he is successful, he might save the nation; otherwise, goodbye USA. Our nation is under the most serious threat since the Civil War, and there is a genuine and serious threat to our ideals of Democracy and self-government. We may win; we may lose. The issue is in doubt.

As a nation, we have never faced a man such as Donald Trump before, and if he is not soundly rejected, then all is lost. Honor is gone, truth is gone, competence is gone, corruption runs wild and reason runs amuck.

Mueller is our last hope.
Exactly so! but lost on Dennis, for whom logic is ... (show quote)


I have never seen a more whining sniveling post. We Conservatives put up with your Socialist POS, Obama, for eight long years as he gave millions to our enemies in Palestine and protected Muslims every step of the way. We put up with Eric Holder not doing his job protecting America yet withholding information during the investigation of a Border Patrolman. We put up with Lois Lerner going after Conservative organizations. We endured scandals of the GSA spending tax dollars on lavish parties and get always; scandals of dying veterans due to VA hospital leaders falsifying records, keeping two sets of books to protect themselves. Obama did his best to divide whites from blacks and blacks from the police. He kept a record number of people on welfare rather than promote jobs. Those are just a few of the things Obama did to ruin America.

Yet you whine and bitch because Trump is already doing more to make America great once again than Obama did in his eight years of destroying America.

Thank you for the personal insults. It only makes my day knowing you think that way about me. I would not want any different.

Dennis

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Dec 13, 2017 09:01:37   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
dennis2146 wrote:
What is the baloney part. I know YOU are capable of carrying on a discussion. I saw both Hillary and Obama on a state on national television possibly two or three weeks after the Benghazi attack. They were both saying that the attack was due to the anti Muslim video rather than a planned attack on 9-11. At this point, hell, at THAT point everyone knew the attack was planned and had nothing to do with the alleged video. Yet there they both were telling the world, "We are not like that. We love Muslims".

Did you miss that as did thom. Can you on the Left at least admit they lied or have you no sense of decency left?

Obama did have a fund raiser the next day. As I recall it was in Las Vegas. Are you disputing that? When you say, Baloney, and nothing else you don't give much to go on as to what is baloney.

Please tell us exactly what Obama did to even attempt to save the embassy. Show me where I am wrong.

Dennis
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Dennis, we agree on many issues. But, you do fall for talking points sometimes.

James Comey did not say Hillary broke the law.

Obama and Hillary were not lying about Bengazi 2 or 3 weeks after the attack. Neither of them blamed the attack on a video after about four days. Hillary referenced the issue a couple of weeks after the attack, but her remark was some thing like - some people are blaming the attack on a video - she was no longer advocating that position.

Were they lying or were they speaking before things were clear those first few days? I don't know. But they did not maintain that narrative for "weeks."

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Dec 13, 2017 09:04:01   #
mwalsh Loc: Houston
 
thom w wrote:
When it comes from your lips, only you know what it means, so it is difficult to respond intelligently to your posts. Realizing that you are a constitutional scholar, where did you receive your education?


"Back Porch University of Constitutional Miscomprehension"


The school is well equiped with rocking chairs and spitoons.

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Dec 13, 2017 09:08:21   #
dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho
 
mwalsh wrote:
Dennis, we agree on many issues. But, you do fall for talking points sometimes.

James Comey did not say Hillary broke the law.

Obama and Hillary were not lying about Bengazi 2 or 3 weeks after the attack. Neither of them blamed the attack on a video after about four days. Hillary referenced the issue a couple of weeks after the attack, but her remark was some thing like - some people are blaming the attack on a video - she was no longer advocating that position.

Were they lying or were they speaking before things were clear those first few days? I don't know. But they did not maintain that narrative for "weeks."
Dennis, we agree on many issues. But, you do fall... (show quote)


I just watched a video yesterday where James Comey went over what Hillary did wrong. You are correct in that he did not accuse her of violating the law. He called it reckless behavior of not having a secure server, and she did not use good judgement as to her handling of top secret information. But there does not need to be criminal intent to be convicted of mishandling top secret information. Just the act is sufficient. Hillary did mishandle top secret information as did her attorney and Huma Abedin. Yet nothing happened. Do you really think the tarmac meeting was to discuss grandchildren?

Did you honestly not see both of them on television saying it was the video that started the attack? I did.

I still wonder what happened to the video maker. He was put in jail to support the Obama/Hillary narrative of Benghazi; I would think a clear violation of his Constitutional rights.

I appreciate your comments but do not agree.

Dennis

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