Woodland Valley Creek, two versions (PL)
Dec 6, 2017 22:41:47 #
MichaelH wrote:
Damn this doesn't feel right giving this work criticism as it is so good.
But I liked the color of the original non-HDR and would only remove about half of the less colorful smooth water zone. Maybe include those two big rocks on the right (and crop it at the adjoining rock just downstream). And again I must say these are beautiful images.
Did you move your tripod between shots or just swap lenses?
But I liked the color of the original non-HDR and would only remove about half of the less colorful smooth water zone. Maybe include those two big rocks on the right (and crop it at the adjoining rock just downstream). And again I must say these are beautiful images.
Did you move your tripod between shots or just swap lenses?
Thanks, and don't be bashful. You cannot offend me if your comments are honest and thoughtful and they most certainly are. In fact, everyone's comments have been helpful.
I don't have an issue with critique, commentary or criticism at all. It's all good, and helps me be better. I create art for myself, but I can't argue with other people's taste - and it gets me to try things that I hadn't thought about.
I am pretty sure I moved to get the second picture. It seems I went a few feet to the right, where I could find a rock to stand on in the middle of the creek, and to get the entire tree into the composition. I think I was pretty happy with the first HDR, after all the time and thought I put into setting it up and taking it. The shot with the 45mm was more of a "let's see how this works out" kinda shot. I think it requires more work in post processing, as it was not HDR, and it was a little later in the afternoon, but I think by the time I get to v6 or v7 it should look ok.
Dec 7, 2017 08:01:57 #
Like the last one the best. Not overly saturated, not so bright - my eye tends toward images that are a bit darker. I also think that the wter was smoothed a bit too much, doesn't look real
The water was how it looked at .8 sec exposure. I suppose I could have used a shorter exposure but then the reflected color would have been "busier" and more distracting. I like those colors in the image, and the flat water lets them come through. Maybe I'll go back next fall and shoot it again with a different approach.
The water was how it looked at .8 sec exposure. I suppose I could have used a shorter exposure but then the reflected color would have been "busier" and more distracting. I like those colors in the image, and the flat water lets them come through. Maybe I'll go back next fall and shoot it again with a different approach.
Dec 7, 2017 08:04:57 #
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
Agree. I applaud those holding divergent opinions in remaining respectful. Unfortunately, this is not an altogether common experience in UHH. I can understand Rongnongno’s concern about the bright reflection in the water as an “eye draw”. My opinion is that the second image is better when cropping off right at the point of the log jam but I still prefer image #1.
RGG has set a different tone, and trolls are clearly not welcome here. Everyone is welcome to show their work, comment and critique, but as soon as the "thread hijacker" and "ad hominem" crowd shows up their comments will be deleted. I suppose this does break with the tradition of UHH - but it's for the better, nicer experience.
Dec 7, 2017 08:51:51 #
Gene, the striking thing about both shots is how natural they look. I would have thought it was a single shot. The emphasis is certainly on composition and not technique as should be the case. Thanks for posting.
Questions for you. How often do you shoot panoramas? How often do you use a tripod?
Questions for you. How often do you shoot panoramas? How often do you use a tripod?
Dec 7, 2017 12:23:16 #
abc1234 wrote:
Gene, the striking thing about both shots is how natural they look. I would have thought it was a single shot. The emphasis is certainly on composition and not technique as should be the case. Thanks for posting.
Questions for you. How often do you shoot panoramas? How often do you use a tripod?
Questions for you. How often do you shoot panoramas? How often do you use a tripod?
Thanks!
I shoot panos almost every time I go out for landscape/city scape/seascape. I will often shoot hand held while traveling, but I try to use a tripod as often as possible. When I do waterfalls or landscapes with some water in them, I will always use somewhat longer exposures and a tripod.
While traveling in Ireland 2 yrs ago I visited the Jameson Distillery in Dublin. I shot these at very high ISO and modestly slow shutter speeds, using a 45mm F2.8 PC-E lens for all images, all hand held.
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the look on the barkeep is precious
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I wanted to take these home - the chandelier and Christmas tree made of liter-sized Jameson's bottles
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A trio of copper pot stills brimming with Jameson's in the making
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giant mash tun (pre-fermentation tank where starch is converted to sugar)
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Dec 7, 2017 12:34:30 #
Gene51 wrote:
Thanks! br br I shoot panos almost every time I g... (show quote)
Very nice work. You have me thinking differently. I have always tried squeezing everything into one shot but your panoramic results are much better.
Dec 7, 2017 13:17:38 #
MichaelH
Loc: NorCal via Lansing, MI
Gene51 wrote:
I shoot panos almost every time I go out for landscape/city scape/seascape....
I agree with the next post on a different way of thinking. These images and the technique involved produced an "aha" moment for me also. From now on I'll only bring my 200mm prime and just do panos (kidding of course). But this ability, certainly made more attainable with new software, does open up many possibilities. I had not been thinking of these kinds of subjects for stitching together as panoramas.
Dec 7, 2017 15:09:13 #
abc1234 wrote:
Very nice work. You have me thinking differently. I have always tried squeezing everything into one shot but your panoramic results are much better.
Thanks!
Dec 7, 2017 15:09:31 #
MichaelH wrote:
I agree with the next post on a different way of thinking. These images and the technique involved produced an "aha" moment for me also. From now on I'll only bring my 200mm prime and just do panos (kidding of course). But this ability, certainly made more attainable with new software, does open up many possibilities. I had not been thinking of these kinds of subjects for stitching together as panoramas.
Thanks!
Dec 7, 2017 15:20:31 #
In my brain I think this is what happens.
I look through the viewfinder. If I can get what I want compositionally speaking - I will take the picture. I usually have either a 24-70 or a 45 or 85mm PC-E. If I want to show more of the scene, I will typically not change the lens to something wider, nor will I resort to using 24mm as a first choice. Instead, I will envision how it would look if I were to record the image as a mosaic (stitched pano). All of a sudden I have much more flexibility since if I want to show more height or width I can do that. If you look at images of the main lobby at the Jameson's Distillery on Bow St in Dublin, (google images) you're not going to see anything like what I captured with the bikes on the wall the chandelier and the Christmas tree - all in one shot. The same goes for the bar.
Getting comfortable with pano shooting and stitching has been something I've done since my first DSLR in 2006 - and to a lesser degree when I used a Sony DSC-F505 and later an F717 before 2006. Back then I wanted more detail and was not happy with the amount of detail "clumping" that I used to get when using the small cameras for landscape. The solution was to shoot longer focal length and stitch - better detail and a lot more pixels to play with.
Some of my images are in excess of 150mp, like that 3 Bridges shot in an earlier post. But the detail rendition is stunning. And there is no "clumping" which is a good thing.
I discovered one more thing - the perspective of a 45 or an 85mm lens is far more natural than a 24mm or wider. Things in the foreground are not huge, while things in the background might as well be in the next state because they are so small.
I look through the viewfinder. If I can get what I want compositionally speaking - I will take the picture. I usually have either a 24-70 or a 45 or 85mm PC-E. If I want to show more of the scene, I will typically not change the lens to something wider, nor will I resort to using 24mm as a first choice. Instead, I will envision how it would look if I were to record the image as a mosaic (stitched pano). All of a sudden I have much more flexibility since if I want to show more height or width I can do that. If you look at images of the main lobby at the Jameson's Distillery on Bow St in Dublin, (google images) you're not going to see anything like what I captured with the bikes on the wall the chandelier and the Christmas tree - all in one shot. The same goes for the bar.
Getting comfortable with pano shooting and stitching has been something I've done since my first DSLR in 2006 - and to a lesser degree when I used a Sony DSC-F505 and later an F717 before 2006. Back then I wanted more detail and was not happy with the amount of detail "clumping" that I used to get when using the small cameras for landscape. The solution was to shoot longer focal length and stitch - better detail and a lot more pixels to play with.
Some of my images are in excess of 150mp, like that 3 Bridges shot in an earlier post. But the detail rendition is stunning. And there is no "clumping" which is a good thing.
I discovered one more thing - the perspective of a 45 or an 85mm lens is far more natural than a 24mm or wider. Things in the foreground are not huge, while things in the background might as well be in the next state because they are so small.
Dec 7, 2017 16:16:57 #
Gene51 wrote:
Done!
You guys can discuss what else needs to be done. RGG - you will sum up the recommendations and post. And I will respond with V4.0
One of the issues I am having is that the images appear much more saturated and contrasty in UHH that they do in Lr or in my prints. So I have to be careful when I post strongly colored material.
You guys can discuss what else needs to be done. RGG - you will sum up the recommendations and post. And I will respond with V4.0
One of the issues I am having is that the images appear much more saturated and contrasty in UHH that they do in Lr or in my prints. So I have to be careful when I post strongly colored material.
Gene, I liked both of the first two photos you posted. #2 didn't look too overexposed to me as Ron said, but as he said, it could have been his monitor, the same as it could be my monitor as well too. I didn't like the cropped version as much as the uncropped version of #2. I think the foreground rocks and milky water add to the photo, but again, thats just my opinion. I love HDR as long as it is not over done as much of it is sometimes. But your non HDR image looks wonderful in my opinion as well.
Dec 7, 2017 17:17:27 #
Vince68 wrote:
Gene, I liked both of the first two photos you pos... (show quote)
Thanks! The tree in the upper right hand corner in image #1 bothers me a little. In #2 you can see it right down to the base. I think #1 divides the scene horizontally into thirds, which is why many find it more appealing. The #2 image goes into quarters, and some may find it a little too busy with too many elements. I thought the cropped version using the stones in the creek as a framing tool at the bottom was a good idea. I suppose I will have to play with it some more.
Jan 22, 2018 12:03:49 #
Gene51 wrote:
Thanks! br br I shoot panos almost every time I g... (show quote)
The chandelier and christmas tree are great! I would only want to bring them home if all bottles were full!
Visited some bourbon distilleries in Kentucky and they had those big vats, but nothing like those copper pots! Those are beautiful to look at. I also liked the rows and rows of barrels where they let the bourbon age... Brought one home with me to use for planters [unfortunately it was empty].
Jan 25, 2018 20:42:05 #
Gene51 wrote:
First was with an 85mm PC-E, D800 in portrait orie... (show quote)
I am missing the state/ county location so I cannot list at the moment....
Jan 26, 2018 04:47:17 #
Rongnongno wrote:
I am missing the state/ county location so I cannot list at the moment....
Woodland Valley Creek is in Ulster County, NY, near the town of Phoenicia.
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