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Nov 22, 2017 08:51:10   #
Apaflo Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
Bill_de wrote:
It's all related. If you can't see the relationship that's just a shame. Your posts are not going to change that, so why not just sit back and enjoy watching how the discussion unfolds. Or, if it is not to your liking, go read something else.

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Sure it is "related", but it is off topic therapeutic noise for those who want to hear themselves talk. The OP pointedly asked about focal length not ISO for a good reason.

It is a shame you don't see that. : - )

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Nov 22, 2017 09:39:36   #
repleo Loc: Boston
 
blackest wrote:
closing down the lens by one stop would give a similar depth of field, its not a perfect match if you look at a dof calculator, but close enough for most people.

By closing down the aperture by 1 stop you are recording 1 stop less light the image would be 1 stop under exposed
I chose to raise the ISO by 1 stop to compensate the alternative would be to half the shutter speed (1 stop difference).

if the shutter speed was 1/60th then 1/30th would be needed to keep the same exposure. This particular scene it doesn't particularly matter about the shutter speed.

with micro 4/3rds as the original camera at 18mm you would want 36mm on full frame and close down 2 stops and raise the iso 2 stops.

If you flip this on its head trying to match a full frame photo with a crop sensor or m43 camera. The surprising thing is you need a better lens for the smaller format. With 1 and 2 stops difference for each format.

You are also enlarging the negative more which is going to reveal more of a lenses defects e.g chromatic aberration.
It probably is fair to say the larger the format of the negative the less demanding is the Image Quality required from the system, big is beautiful

Heavy not so easy to take to a location but perhaps why people still love the medium and larger formats even 35mm film.
closing down the lens by one stop would give a sim... (show quote)


Thanks Blackest. Thanks also Apaflo. Although I didn't really learn anything new from your (apaflo) original response to the OP's question, I did learn something from the 'off topic' responses (including yours) and I am grateful.

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Nov 22, 2017 09:44:59   #
BebuLamar
 
Apaflo wrote:
To match the noise as well as the DOF.

But the OP only asked about focal length, and all the rest of this is off topic thread hijacking! : - )


OK so I did the math and it came out to 27.57mm.

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Nov 22, 2017 10:20:10   #
OddJobber Loc: Portland, OR
 
BebuLamar wrote:
OK so I did the math and it came out to 27.57mm.


Did you take focus breathing into account? Oops! That's off topic too.

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Nov 22, 2017 11:33:02   #
SuperFly48 Loc: NE ILLINOIS
 
This discussion is almost too funny to comment on, so I won't, but I will comment on the photo example. This is the Watchtower on the South Rim of the Grand Canyon, east of the Village. This photo would have been a perfect candidate for focus stacking. The historical significance of this photo, out near the horizon on the extreme left is the crash site from the mid air collision of two airliners ( United and TWA) over the Grand Canyon on June 30, 1956. The memorial is on the opposite side of the Watchtower, along the rim. I knew nothing about the crash until I visited the Grand Canyon.

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Nov 23, 2017 06:26:50   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
FlyGuy47 wrote:
The attached image was taken with my Nikon D7100 and Nikon 18-200mm DX VR lens. Focal length for this image is 18mm. To duplicate this shot "exactly", except using a full frame DSLR rather than a cropped sensor DSLR, what should the lens focal length be?


27mm

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Nov 23, 2017 07:55:09   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
You are using 18mm on a lens built for the crop frame camera so if you use 18mm lens built for a full frame camera it would duplicate the shot exactly on a full frame camera. Remember the focal length of the lens doesn't change only the crop value if you put a full frame lens on a crop frame camera.

FlyGuy47 wrote:
The attached image was taken with my Nikon D7100 and Nikon 18-200mm DX VR lens. Focal length for this image is 18mm. To duplicate this shot "exactly", except using a full frame DSLR rather than a cropped sensor DSLR, what should the lens focal length be?

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Nov 23, 2017 08:36:20   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Bill_de wrote:
It's all related. If you can't see the relationship that's just a shame. Your posts are not going to change that, so why not just sit back and enjoy watching how the discussion unfolds. Or, if it is not to your liking, go read something else.

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Depends on the DSLR brand.

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Nov 23, 2017 09:16:16   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
And use auto mode...

blackest wrote:
And raise the ISO 1 stop

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Nov 23, 2017 09:28:43   #
Notorious T.O.D. Loc: Harrisburg, North Carolina
 
Yes, the focal length of an 18mm lens is always 18mm, but the Field of View and DOF of that lens on a FF or Crop body will be different if using the exact same lens on each body. I agree if you use the lenses designed for FF or Crop body, but I understood the question as if using only one FF lens. Perhaps I misunderstood the question. On a FF the Field of View will be wider so you would have to move in closer with a FF to get the same FOV as the Crop body. The DOF will also be shallower on the FF so you would want to close down the aperture one stop roughly and you would need to compensate elsewhere to get the same exposure.

Best,
Todd Ferguson

Brucej67 wrote:
You are using 18mm on a lens built for the crop frame camera so if you use 18mm lens built for a full frame camera it would duplicate the shot exactly on a full frame camera. Remember the focal length of the lens doesn't change only the crop value if you put a full frame lens on a crop frame camera.

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Nov 23, 2017 10:15:46   #
BebuLamar
 
Brucej67 wrote:
You are using 18mm on a lens built for the crop frame camera so if you use 18mm lens built for a full frame camera it would duplicate the shot exactly on a full frame camera. Remember the focal length of the lens doesn't change only the crop value if you put a full frame lens on a crop frame camera.


I am sorry Bruce but your math is not correct!

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Nov 23, 2017 13:17:45   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
If your understanding is right then I am wrong.

Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
Yes, the focal length of an 18mm lens is always 18mm, but the Field of View and DOF of that lens on a FF or Crop body will be different if using the exact same lens on each body. I agree if you use the lenses designed for FF or Crop body, but I understood the question as if using only one FF lens. Perhaps I misunderstood the question. On a FF the Field of View will be wider so you would have to move in closer with a FF to get the same FOV as the Crop body. The DOF will also be shallower on the FF so you would want to close down the aperture one stop roughly and you would need to compensate elsewhere to get the same exposure.

Best,
Todd Ferguson
Yes, the focal length of an 18mm lens is always 18... (show quote)

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Nov 23, 2017 13:20:51   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
How so, a 18mm lens built for a crop frame camera produces the same field of view on a crop frame camera as an 18mm lens built for a full frame camera on a full frame camera.

BebuLamar wrote:
I am sorry Bruce but your math is not correct!

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Nov 23, 2017 13:23:14   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Brucej67 wrote:
How so, a 18mm lens built for a crop frame camera produces the same field of view on a crop frame camera as an 18mm lens built for a full frame camera on a full frame camera.
The view depends on the size of the sensor. If you look through the viewfinder of a FF camera with a 27mm lens you will see this view.

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Nov 23, 2017 13:26:49   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
Based on what the OP stated "The attached image was taken with my Nikon D7100 and Nikon 18-200mm DX VR lens. Focal length for this image is 18mm. To duplicate this shot "exactly", except using a full frame DSLR rather than a cropped sensor DSLR, what should the lens focal length be?" This is the part I was referring to "To duplicate this shot "exactly", except using a full frame DSLR rather than a cropped sensor DSLR, what should the lens focal length be?" and using a full frame DSLR not his D7100.

Notorious T.O.D. wrote:
Yes, the focal length of an 18mm lens is always 18mm, but the Field of View and DOF of that lens on a FF or Crop body will be different if using the exact same lens on each body. I agree if you use the lenses designed for FF or Crop body, but I understood the question as if using only one FF lens. Perhaps I misunderstood the question. On a FF the Field of View will be wider so you would have to move in closer with a FF to get the same FOV as the Crop body. The DOF will also be shallower on the FF so you would want to close down the aperture one stop roughly and you would need to compensate elsewhere to get the same exposure.

Best,
Todd Ferguson
Yes, the focal length of an 18mm lens is always 18... (show quote)

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