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Nov 13, 2017 01:49:25   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Enough of the twist! ... Will this work better in Landscape Orientation, or in Portrait Orientation? ... Let's suppose there's an AFFORDABLE square format DSLR ... FF, APS-C, MFT ... whatever ... and, what I mean by affordable - is that you could buy it out of pocket, and NOT something you'd have to mortgage your house to acquire. ... I suppose you realize that one that shall remain nameless - you could actually buy a whole house in Quebec - for less!!!! .... But, let's think about it ... no more twisting backs (literal, as in RB/RZ land, nor - doing so, in a physical sense) in order to get the right perspective. All that would be done away with, wouldn't it? ... with a nice little square-format eye-level DSLR. Wouldn't it be a gas?

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Nov 13, 2017 02:37:26   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
Chris T wrote:
Enough of the twist! ... Will this work better in Landscape Orientation, or in Portrait Orientation? ... Let's suppose there's an AFFORDABLE square format DSLR ... FF, APS-C, MFT ... whatever ... and, what I mean by affordable - is that you could buy it out of pocket, and NOT something you'd have to mortgage your house to acquire. ... I suppose you realize that one that shall remain nameless - you could actually buy a whole house in Quebec - for less!!!! .... But, let's think about it ... no more twisting backs (literal, as in RB/RZ land, nor - doing so, in a physical sense) in order to get the right perspective. All that would be done away with, wouldn't it? ... with a nice little square-format eye-level DSLR. Wouldn't it be a gas?
Enough of the twist! ... Will this work better in ... (show quote)

I agree, and have wanted such a product for decades. I don't care about the size of the sensor: 24, 36 or a compromise of 30mm. I also don't need a lot of lenses; a variable (or two) totaling 0.25X - 6.0X for a start. (I use the X factor because the focal length of the lenses would be based on the sensor size.) I also don't need a lot of bells and whistles on the camera, those geegaws that drive up the cost to near mortgage price. But, what the ΗΞΓΓ, camera manufacturers don't give a damn about what people want. When was the last time you were asked to take a survey about what you would like in a camera. I can take square pictures on my iPhone and my Yashica, but not on a reasonably priced DSLR or any other digital camera (and, responders, don't even mention those stupid little instant cameras!)

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Nov 13, 2017 02:51:02   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
BHC wrote:
I agree, and have wanted such a product for decades. I don't care about the size of the sensor: 24, 36 or a compromise of 30mm. I also don't need a lot of lenses; a variable (or two) totaling 0.25X - 6.0X for a start. (I use the X factor because the focal length of the lenses would be based on the sensor size.) I also don't need a lot of bells and whistles on the camera, those geegaws that drive up the cost to near mortgage price. But, what the ΗΞΓΓ, camera manufacturers don't give a damn about what people want. When was the last time you were asked to take a survey about what you would like in a camera. I can take square pictures on my iPhone and my Yashica, but not on a reasonably priced DSLR or any other digital camera (and, responders, don't even mention those stupid little instant cameras!)
I agree, and have wanted such a product for decade... (show quote)


Sure they do, BHC ... I'll bet the R & D Development teams of all ten major camera manufacturers, regularly scan these web pages to get ideas for their next innovative new camera designs ... don't you believe they don't!!!! .....

Now, be on the lookout ... I'll bet the square-format affordable DSLR - is - now - just around the next corner!!!!!!

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Nov 13, 2017 02:53:47   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Chris T wrote:
Enough of the twist! ... Will this work better in Landscape Orientation, or in Portrait Orientation? ... Let's suppose there's an AFFORDABLE square format DSLR ... FF, APS-C, MFT ... whatever ... and, what I mean by affordable - is that you could buy it out of pocket, and NOT something you'd have to mortgage your house to acquire. ... I suppose you realize that one that shall remain nameless - you could actually buy a whole house in Quebec - for less!!!! .... But, let's think about it ... no more twisting backs (literal, as in RB/RZ land, nor - doing so, in a physical sense) in order to get the right perspective. All that would be done away with, wouldn't it? ... with a nice little square-format eye-level DSLR. Wouldn't it be a gas?
Enough of the twist! ... Will this work better in ... (show quote)


Well Chris - firstly I feel the need to point out that, as you will already appreciate, 4/3 is closer to square than is 3/2. I would like to add that I just love 4/3 format. But so far as your "square" suggestion goes - is it not a case of the grass being greener.....? If you had it, you might find that cropping would be more often, and harsher, and that landscapes still look best in a landscape format - and portraits still look best in a portrait format.
I thank the stars for my G5 16 mpx 4/3 camera - I have never used the "change format" setting. In these days of 40 plus mpx sensors, I see that Panasonic settled on a 20 mpx sensor for their new flag-ship pro-standard G9. I think that, because 4/3 lends itself to less cropping, the G9 will compete very well.

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Nov 13, 2017 02:57:49   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Delderby wrote:
Well Chris - firstly I feel the need to point out that, as you will already appreciate, 4/3 is closer to square than is 3/2. I would like to add that I just love 4/3 format. But so far as your "square" suggestion goes - is it not a case of the grass being greener.....? If you had it, you might find that cropping would be more often, and harsher, and that landscapes still look best in a landscape format - and portraits still look best in a portrait format.
I thank the stars for my G5 16 mpx 4/3 camera - I have never used the "change format" setting. In these days of 40 plus mpx sensors, I see that Panasonic settled on a 20 mpx sensor for their new flag-ship pro-standard G9. I think that, because 4/3 lends itself to less cropping, the G9 will compete very well.
Well Chris - firstly I feel the need to point out ... (show quote)


Del ... does your G5 "change format" setting, actually allow for setting up a square image, then?

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Nov 13, 2017 03:06:53   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
Chris T wrote:
Del ... does your G5 "change format" setting, actually allow for setting up a square image, then?


Hi Chris - yes it does.

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Nov 13, 2017 03:11:19   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Delderby wrote:
Hi Chris - yes it does.


Oh, now ... isn't THAT interesting?

So, the concept I've described here, isn't, actually - so innovative, as it would seem, then ....

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Nov 13, 2017 03:11:48   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
Chris T wrote:
Enough of the twist! ... Will this work better in Landscape Orientation, or in Portrait Orientation? ... Let's suppose there's an AFFORDABLE square format DSLR ... FF, APS-C, MFT ... whatever ... and, what I mean by affordable - is that you could buy it out of pocket, and NOT something you'd have to mortgage your house to acquire. ... I suppose you realize that one that shall remain nameless - you could actually buy a whole house in Quebec - for less!!!! .... But, let's think about it ... no more twisting backs (literal, as in RB/RZ land, nor - doing so, in a physical sense) in order to get the right perspective. All that would be done away with, wouldn't it? ... with a nice little square-format eye-level DSLR. Wouldn't it be a gas?
Enough of the twist! ... Will this work better in ... (show quote)


If you can be happy with a smaller format my Olympus M4/3 body can be set for square (I just tried it, for the first time). The new format is displayed in the EVF as well. Maybe some other mirrorless cameras are the same.

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Nov 13, 2017 03:19:21   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
If you can be happy with a smaller format my Olympus M4/3 body can be set for square (I just tried it, for the first time). The new format is displayed in the EVF as well. Maybe some other mirrorless cameras are the same.


Maybe you should have used it for that photo you shot of that lady ... the one who had some vacant space for lease ....

Richard ... do me a favor, would you ... shoot something ... anything ... using the square format setting ... then - shove it up on the BBS ...

Could you?


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Nov 13, 2017 03:24:57   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
Delderby wrote:
Well Chris - firstly I feel the need to point out that, as you will already appreciate, 4/3 is closer to square than is 3/2. I would like to add that I just love 4/3 format. But so far as your "square" suggestion goes - is it not a case of the grass being greener.....? If you had it, you might find that cropping would be more often, and harsher, and that landscapes still look best in a landscape format - and portraits still look best in a portrait format.
I thank the stars for my G5 16 mpx 4/3 camera - I have never used the "change format" setting. In these days of 40 plus mpx sensors, I see that Panasonic settled on a 20 mpx sensor for their new flag-ship pro-standard G9. I think that, because 4/3 lends itself to less cropping, the G9 will compete very well.
Well Chris - firstly I feel the need to point out ... (show quote)


Del ... this wasn't actually an original concept. The idea had been suggested in communications with another party here on UHH. For me - square format is not something I ever felt I could live with, comfortably. I came very close to getting a 500 C once. Now, I look back on it ... kinda glad I didn't ... you are quite right, Del ... Landscape Orientation works best for Landscapes ... whilst Portrait Orientation works best for Portraits. That's the way it's always been, for me, and the way it will continue to be, for me. Squares are for Squares ... and THAT's my Take on that!!! .... So!!!!

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Nov 13, 2017 03:28:40   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
Chris T wrote:
Maybe you should have used it for that photo you shot of that lady ... the one who had some vacant space for lease ....

Richard ... do me a favor, would you ... shoot something ... anything ... using the square format setting ... then - shove it up on the BBS ...

Could you?

Maybe you should have used it for that photo you s... (show quote)


I don't want to mess around in camera menus whilst shootintg live concerts, that's how you miss things.
I can shoot something in square format, however I will probably downsize it to 1080x1080 for to keep the file size down.,

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Nov 13, 2017 03:39:24   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
I don't want to mess around in camera menus whilst shootintg live concerts, that's how you miss things.
I can shoot something in square format, however I will probably downsize it to 1080x1080 for to keep the file size down.,


Ah, okay, Richard ....

But, if you'd already had been more familiar with your Oly ... you could have ... that was my only point ...

Okay, Richard ... do it, then ... let's see a square format image from an MFT dig cam ... okay?

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Nov 13, 2017 03:41:15   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
From our front porch.

In the blue hour - 1/60 @ f2.8 ISO 1250
In the blue hour - 1/60 @ f2.8 ISO 1250...
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Nov 13, 2017 03:42:58   #
RichardTaylor Loc: Sydney, Australia
 
Chris T wrote:
Ah, okay, Richard ....

But, if you'd already had been more familiar with your Oly ... you could have ... that was my only point ...

Okay, Richard ... do it, then ... let's see a square format image from an MFT dig cam ... okay?


Do you know what that screen on the back of your digital camera is called?
It is called "the distractor".

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Nov 13, 2017 03:58:44   #
Chris T Loc: from England across the pond to New England
 
RichardTaylor wrote:
Do you know what that screen on the back of your digital camera is called?
It is called "the distractor".


The Distractor, huh?

Wouldn't know ...

Only use it for menus, and looking at the shot images ....

Thassit!!!!

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