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Jul 3, 2012 08:57:18   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
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Results from the US Tevatron, a smaller cousin of Cern's Large Hadron Collider, "strongly point" towards the existence of a Higgs Boson, scientists said.

Telltale signals which could indicate the Higgs were identified within the same search region where the LHC identified promising “hints” of the particle last December.

Although the Tevatron’s results are nowhere near strong enough to qualify as a discovery, they will fuel growing speculation that LHC scientists are set to make a conclusive announcement on the particle’s existence on Wednesday.

Because the Tevatron and LHC use very different methods of searching for the Higgs Boson, the fact that their signals match up greatly reduces the chance that either could have happened by chance.

Prof Dan Tovey, Professor of Particle Physics at the University of Sheffield, said: "These intriguing hints from the Tevatron appear to support the results from the LHC shown at CERN in December.

"This gives us more confidence that what we are seeing is really evidence of new physics rather than just a statistical fluke. We will need to wait until Wednesday and the latest results from the LHC before getting the full picture however."

The Higgs Boson is the most sought-after prize in particle physics, representing a crucial missing piece of evidence for the Standard Model, the most widely accepted theory on how the Universe works.
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The CERN will be making a more definitive announcement about their results tomorrow (7/4), but it looks like the scientific community is in agreement that, while the actual particle has not been seen, its footprints and shadow have been dug out of trillions of particle collisions at both the Tevatron and the LHC.

First predicted by Peter Higgs back in 1964, the discovery of the Higgs will be a stunning confirmation of the predictive powers of the so-called "Standard Model of Particle Physics."

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Jul 4, 2012 05:56:57   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
And then there are those deeper questions: 1) How did everything start (if, indeed, is hasn't always been here) ?; and 2) Does all this somehow mean something ?; and 3) If it means something, what does it mean ?

Beats me.

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Jul 4, 2012 06:57:55   #
johnr9999 Loc: Carlton, OR
 
Hopefully they get the cables attached securely.

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Jul 4, 2012 08:15:09   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
Michael Faraday was asked what the importance of his discovery of electro-magnetics might be and he replied, "Of what use is a new born baby?"

Now, imagine life without electricity.

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Jul 4, 2012 09:38:53   #
keithsnyder Loc: Houghton, MI
 
Richard94611 wrote:
And then there are those deeper questions: 1) How did everything start (if, indeed, is hasn't always been here) ?; and 2) Does all this somehow mean something ?; and 3) If it means something, what does it mean ?


Questions science isn't designed to answer. To borrow from Kepler, science can only think God's thoughts after him. "The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament shows forth His handiwork." Science sure is a handy tool for helping understand it.

I can't recommend highly enough Leon Lederman's book, The God Particle. Here's a link to a .pdf that is part of it. faculty.washington.edu/lynnhank/Lederman.pdf. But if you get the whole book, it's definitely worth the read. Lederman is or was the head of Fermilab.

Very readable. Dr. Lederman has a gift for making the complicated understandable, and does so in a very engaging manner. I met a fellow pastor who used to work with him at Fermi said the guy is just like he writes in real life.

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Jul 4, 2012 09:59:04   #
Richard94611 Loc: Oakland, CA
 
Does the book attempt to answer the questions I posed ?

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Jul 4, 2012 10:26:36   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
Richard94611 wrote:
And then there are those deeper questions: 1) How did everything start (if, indeed, is hasn't always been here) ?; and 2) Does all this somehow mean something ?; and 3) If it means something, what does it mean ?

Beats me.

They are trying to find God 'out there' in the Material . God isn't 'out there'; God is in MIND. If you want to find yourself, look inside. If you want to find the source of your happiness or sorrow, look inside. If you want to 'see' the Creator of All, look inside. That is where the ONE lives. :thumbup:

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Jul 4, 2012 11:23:38   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Who cares? We don't need no egg heads telling what we already knew. All this science stuff is just anti godly. Bah humbug!

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Jul 4, 2012 13:01:27   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
keithsnyder wrote:

I can't recommend highly enough Leon Lederman's book, The God Particle. Here's a link to a .pdf that is part of it. faculty.washington.edu/lynnhank/Lederman.pdf. But if you get the whole book, it's definitely worth the read. Lederman is or was the head of Fermilab.


Great book with the best subtitle ever: The God Particle: If the Universe is the Answer, what was the Question?

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Jul 4, 2012 13:06:32   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
amyinsparta wrote:
Richard94611 wrote:
And then there are those deeper questions: 1) How did everything start (if, indeed, is hasn't always been here) ?; and 2) Does all this somehow mean something ?; and 3) If it means something, what does it mean ?

Beats me.

They are trying to find God 'out there' in the Material . God isn't 'out there'; God is in MIND. If you want to find yourself, look inside. If you want to find the source of your happiness or sorrow, look inside. If you want to 'see' the Creator of All, look inside. That is where the ONE lives. :thumbup:
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I dunno, Amy. I keep looking inside and find Cthulhu. Is that good or should I be worried?

How do you know these things about god? Why were people able to see him if he isn't material? I mean, we know he has a face and butt, right?

Exodus 33:23 "23: And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen."

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Jul 4, 2012 13:39:27   #
robertperry Loc: Sacramento, Ca.
 
As Spok would say, " Fascinating".

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Jul 4, 2012 14:29:32   #
keithsnyder Loc: Houghton, MI
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Does the book attempt to answer the questions I posed ?


Nope, it's about the search for that particle, with good explanations of the difficulties in the search (the .pdf starts out with the soccer game example). The answers to your questions aren't in physics books. Wrong section of the Dewey decimal system. :lol:

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Jul 4, 2012 14:40:37   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Everyone, I hope, you understand that the use of the word god does not refer to the common interpretation as the guy in the bible.

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Jul 4, 2012 16:42:32   #
ngc1514 Loc: Atlanta, Ga., Lancaster, Oh. and Stuart, Fl.
 
ole sarg wrote:
Everyone, I hope, you understand that the use of the word god does not refer to the common interpretation as the guy in the bible.

Exactly. When George Smoot was looking at the anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background radiation with the initial results from the COBE satellite and said, "It's like looking at the face of god." He was not talking about some old guy with a long beard hanging out in heaven.

Had the temperature variations not been there, Big Bang cosmology would have been in a lot of trouble. Galaxies never would have formed in a thermally smooth universe.

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Jul 4, 2012 19:11:43   #
PhotoTex Loc: Texas
 
OK, now we have the Higgs Boson which creates/is part of a field that other particles attach to and it slows them down. Thus we get mass.

To me the big problem is in the fields. EM fields, gravity fields, Higgs Boson fields. What is a field? A field of what?

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