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Oct 10, 2017 09:45:15   #
1963mca
 
The D850 is giving me real GAS, however I'm going to pass at this time. My D800 has far more capability than I as an "advanced" amateur. The only reason for thinking of changing is GAS. My reason for passing at this time is that at my age I expect I will only get one or two more DSLR's. The only DSLR's I've had are the D90 and the D800, both of which I still have. I entered the world of digital in 2008 with the D90, adding it to my Nikon F4 (which I still use). I was so new to digital I didn't even realize that DX meant a crop sensor, I just thought the D90 was a top of the line amateurs 35mm (FF) DSLR camera. The info I read at the time didn't really describe the crop aspect. All I knew was that it was a lot less expensive than the "Pro" Nikons. I was and am still happy with the D90 and the DX format is absolutely no hindrance to me, has no bearing on the desire to upgrade, but GAS forced me to want an actual FF camera. Didn't need it, just wanted one. Plus I have a lot of FX lenses from the F4 era and have now added more (yes, have used them on the D90). Finally bit the bullet in 2014 and jumped in to the D800. Again, far more camera than I need but love it. So this was a gap of 6 years between my first DSLR and latest DSLR. Now, looking at the timeline of Nikon FX releases I see a span of only 2 to 3 years between them, each offering interesting steps forward, especially in sensor size and/or iso. So my thought is, since I've only had my D800 for 3 years now that the D850 is out, what will Nikon be releasing in another 3 years? If I keep my 6 year gap between DSLR purchases then I'm wondering what Nikon will have for us in 2020? Figure if I start saving now, I'll even have enough money to buy whatever they have to offer by then. If I had a real reason to upgrade, I'd get a D850, but..... I can wait. Anybody else thinking of waiting?
 
Oct 10, 2017 09:52:29   #
cameraf4 (a regular here)
 
Actually, pretty sound thinking IMHO. I jumped from a D700 to a D800 and was simply amazed at the detail. Then, I bought a Df and have used it primarily since buying it. Not as many MPs but the images are beautiful and the "experience" using it is wonderful. 46MPs sure is tempting, but, like you, I'll sit on the sideline for a while longer.
Oct 10, 2017 09:52:58   #
JPL (a regular here)
 
It is ok to pass on some cameras. Now models enter the market frequently. The D850 is one more model and others will come later. I pass on most new cameras
Oct 10, 2017 10:06:49   #
rmalarz (a regular here)
 
Outside of a few photographs of the D850 in articles, I've not seen one in person. I probably will sooner or later, but it will be incidental to a real reason to visit my camera store. My D800e is doing everything I need it to do.
--Bob
1963mca wrote:
The D850 is giving me real GAS, however I'm going to pass at this time. My D800 has far more capability than I as an "advanced" amateur. The only reason for thinking of changing is GAS. My reason for passing at this time is that at my age I expect I will only get one or two more DSLR's. The only DSLR's I've had are the D90 and the D800, both of which I still have. I entered the world of digital in 2008 with the D90, adding it to my Nikon F4 (which I still use). I was so new to digital I didn't even realize that DX meant a crop sensor, I just thought the D90 was a top of the line amateurs 35mm (FF) DSLR camera. The info I read at the time didn't really describe the crop aspect. All I knew was that it was a lot less expensive than the "Pro" Nikons. I was and am still happy with the D90 and the DX format is absolutely no hindrance to me, has no bearing on the desire to upgrade, but GAS forced me to want an actual FF camera. Didn't need it, just wanted one. Plus I have a lot of FX lenses from the F4 era and have now added more (yes, have used them on the D90). Finally bit the bullet in 2014 and jumped in to the D800. Again, far more camera than I need but love it. So this was a gap of 6 years between my first DSLR and latest DSLR. Now, looking at the timeline of Nikon FX releases I see a span of only 2 to 3 years between them, each offering interesting steps forward, especially in sensor size and/or iso. So my thought is, since I've only had my D800 for 3 years now that the D850 is out, what will Nikon be releasing in another 3 years? If I keep my 6 year gap between DSLR purchases then I'm wondering what Nikon will have for us in 2020? Figure if I start saving now, I'll even have enough money to buy whatever they have to offer by then. If I had a real reason to upgrade, I'd get a D850, but..... I can wait. Anybody else thinking of waiting?
The D850 is giving me real GAS, however I'm going ... (show quote)
Oct 10, 2017 10:29:20   #
mas24 (a regular here)
 
I understand your point of view, and it applies to others as well, including myself. As an amateur, I think that one should master most functions of their camera before upgrading. Especially going from a crop sensor to a full frame. Full frame photography is far more expensive as a hobby or as a professional. You can buy 2 DX lenses or more, compared to one FX lens. I remember when the D700 and D90 were released, around 2008. The D700 came with almost the same excitement as the D850. And it came with a whopping 12.1 megapixels. Nine years later, we're at 46 megapixels, plus many other new features. And a camera that recently had a first ever perfect score of 100. That is indeed an upgrade. For some or not for some?
Oct 10, 2017 10:33:45   #
Novicus
 
I buy 2ndhand , study the market , biding my time , allways go for the Pro-models , them are meant to last a lifetime,...here`s a thought , want to " upgrade "... Nikon D3X , that one is a dream come true , I have got one , only 24.5 mp , but look at the output file in MB...`nuf said !!
 
Oct 10, 2017 10:36:28   #
jmvaugh (a regular here)
 
1963mca wrote:
The D850 is giving me real GAS, however I'm going to pass at this time. My D800 has far more capability than I as an "advanced" amateur. The only reason for thinking of changing is GAS. My reason for passing at this time is that at my age I expect I will only get one or two more DSLR's. The only DSLR's I've had are the D90 and the D800, both of which I still have. I entered the world of digital in 2008 with the D90, adding it to my Nikon F4 (which I still use). I was so new to digital I didn't even realize that DX meant a crop sensor, I just thought the D90 was a top of the line amateurs 35mm (FF) DSLR camera. The info I read at the time didn't really describe the crop aspect. All I knew was that it was a lot less expensive than the "Pro" Nikons. I was and am still happy with the D90 and the DX format is absolutely no hindrance to me, has no bearing on the desire to upgrade, but GAS forced me to want an actual FF camera. Didn't need it, just wanted one. Plus I have a lot of FX lenses from the F4 era and have now added more (yes, have used them on the D90). Finally bit the bullet in 2014 and jumped in to the D800. Again, far more camera than I need but love it. So this was a gap of 6 years between my first DSLR and latest DSLR. Now, looking at the timeline of Nikon FX releases I see a span of only 2 to 3 years between them, each offering interesting steps forward, especially in sensor size and/or iso. So my thought is, since I've only had my D800 for 3 years now that the D850 is out, what will Nikon be releasing in another 3 years? If I keep my 6 year gap between DSLR purchases then I'm wondering what Nikon will have for us in 2020? Figure if I start saving now, I'll even have enough money to buy whatever they have to offer by then. If I had a real reason to upgrade, I'd get a D850, but..... I can wait. Anybody else thinking of waiting?
The D850 is giving me real GAS, however I'm going ... (show quote)

Very sound thinking. And when Nikon comes out with a successor to the D850, you could very likely get a used or refurbished D850 at a very good price. The bargains can be found on the “recently dethroned” king.
Oct 10, 2017 10:36:44   #
RickL (a regular here)
 
My first sale was a D7000 followed by a D810. I find no need to upgrade to a D850. I am pleased with my D810, it is very advanced am still learning the many features that it has
Oct 10, 2017 10:39:59   #
Tom Daniels (a regular here)
 
I have a long history of Nikons. The D90 is special. My son-in-law still uses my original
and takes some great shots. I had the D300 loved it. I had many of the film DSLR's.
Loved my D7000. It was my entry level into video production with a DSLR.
I bought 2 D800's a big investment for video and stills. I had a lot of Nikon glass.
I had issues with the cameras. Certain cards wouldn't work in them. I tried different
recommendations. Finally sent one back and Nikon corrected it. Both shutters
sounded different. Not a big deal but why. Their was quality to image but not great.
I just didn't feel the experience I had with my many Nikon's. Ken Rockwell was very
critical of this camera compared to the Canon. Maybe it is just me
but Nikon was such a great experience maybe i expected too much.Their were other
issues like focus error in software etc. On paper the D850 looks amazing. But now
I am in the Sony world because of their technology and attention to video with
mirrorless. If you are very pleased with your D800 enjoy.
Oct 10, 2017 10:40:16   #
DavidPine
 
At my age, I don't adhere to sound thinking. I worked hard to get where I am and I vow to go out completely fulfilled and satisfied. If Nikon came out with a D950 tomorrow, I would get it if I wanted it.
Oct 10, 2017 10:47:17   #
larryepage
 
From the descriptions that we read from Nikon and others, the D850 appears to have the capability of being a great model. But it includes a number of significant changes from long-standing standards in its price/performance tier. The two biggest, in my opinion, are the shift to a combination metal/composite body and the addition of the tilt monitor. Both of these changes concern me because professional equipment tends to see a lot harder use than "enthusiast" gear. I need to see if the tilt implementation results in more trips to the repair shop. The manager of my local shop told me that in general, movable monitors generate a significant number of repair situations. I also tend to use my flip up flash quite a bit...whether to provide some fill in an emergency when I don't have my SB800 or as a really good way to control off-camera flash. I'd have to figure out how to do without it.

It is also interesting to me that we have not heard more from those on the forum who already received their D850s. A few test shots have been posted, but I've not seen any significant 'completed' photos or read any meaningful posts with impressions or brief reviews. It may just be that those folks are having so much fun shooting that they haven't yet been able to free up time to share with us.

I still love my D300 & D300s, and my D810 provides all of the capability I really need in more advanced situations, although a couple of the new features and modes on the D850 are very interesting to me.
 
Oct 10, 2017 10:47:31   #
Retired fat guy with a camera (a regular here)
 
I love my "old" pro body cameras. I bought them used, for around 10% of their original price.
My images are as good, as the latest, greatest camera on the market today.
Oct 10, 2017 10:47:48   #
rehess (a regular here)
 
I restrict my hobby spending because we have other uses for the money. If the new product has something I can use - better high-ISO is what I'm currently thinking of - I look for the funds without reducing our giving to causes such as homeless persons. I can never be too old to ignore the Golden Rule.
Oct 10, 2017 10:47:58   #
jmvaugh (a regular here)
 
DavidPine wrote:
At my age, I don't adhere to sound thinking. I worked hard to get where I am and I vow to go out completely fulfilled and satisfied. If Nikon came out with a D950 tomorrow, I would get it if I wanted it.

Apparently you are your own financial advisor and don’t have to justify your camera purchases. You are envied!
Oct 10, 2017 11:03:50   #
Rongnongno (a regular here)
 
1963mca wrote:
.../... I can wait. Anybody else thinking of waiting?

Yes but not for the same reasons. I will jump from a D800e to the D850 in about six months IF the real review stay positive. I would hate to be a disappointed 'beta tester'.

As to age... I do not encourage GAS just for GAS but if you are half as old as you introduce yourself I do not see why you should pass if you can afford it. After all, you will not take anything with you when you die.

As to the upgrade time frame...

The D800(e) is only being replaced now. The D810 was an incremental update. It offered better video and slightly improved DR, nothing else. The D850 is the real thing. So, 6 years span between new cameras. Same as for the D300, a real workhorse that took 7 years to be replaced by the D500 - A quantum leap. Now the D850 appears to be such a leap. Time will tell, hence the wait.

As to test images.. What I would like to get is raw capture (NEF files) over exposed (+4) and underexposed (-4) at base ISO. That will tell me more than 'good images'.
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