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Aug 23, 2017 14:22:08   #
Linary Loc: UK
 
rfcoakley wrote:
I did some shooting in Newburyport, MA yesterday afternoon during some pretty lousy (bright yet hazy, late morning/early afternoon) lighting conditions. I knew that I wouldn't have very good results. For one sequence, I did a five shot bracket set with EV range 0,-1,+1,-2,+2. The shots were handheld at ISO 250, F/22.0 (aperture priority) with varying shutter speeds and with a polarizer filter. I post-processed the five shots using four different HDR processing applications. In each case, I tweaked the HDR settings in an attempt to get the most pleasing result (in my view). Of note, I very likely could have gotten better results from some of them with more tweaking of their various controls. My unscientific results: Photomatix was a clear winner - it did far better than I expected to get from the very harsh lighting over the scene. Next best was Lightroom - better than the others, but still dull when compared to Photomatix. Results from Photoshop and NIK were not good at all. The NIK result had significant ghosting that might have been reduced/eliminated if I selected the optional deghosting option, but it was otherwise so inferior that I didn't bother to try that.

Below are five images in following order:
(1) the (0 EV) source image.
(2) the Photomatix HDR (its a trial version with watermark)
(3) the Lightroom HDR
(4) the NIK HDR
(5) the Photoshop HDR

...I guess it may be time to purchase Photomatix license.
I did some shooting in Newburyport, MA yesterday a... (show quote)


I think the LR version is the best - with a little clarity and Dehaze added. If you zoom in on the boat that Ron picked out, the LR version is relatively sharper or better aligned and there are more tones and detail showing.

Your LR HDR with added Clarity and Dehaze.
Your LR HDR with added Clarity and Dehaze....
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Aug 23, 2017 15:48:37   #
rfcoakley Loc: Auburn, NH
 
Rongnongno wrote:
http://static.uglyhedgehog.com/upload/2017/8/23/t1-462126-capture.jpg
If that is a single image... 1/250 and you have this kind of motion???

I recently posted a thread on the motion reduction filter using PS CC.

Something else...

By the way, you mentioned using LR and PS CC. Both come with a program called ACR. You can open multiple files with that and select to merge them to HDR. THAT will Align all the images (if possible) then create a new image to edit.

As I said, you have no clue as to the software you already own can do.

If you look at Bob's threads on raw shooting and processing you would also find that he creates HDR images from a single shot. He uses a free software to do so too.
img http://static.uglyhedgehog.com/upload/2017/8/... (show quote)


OK, we're getting a little closer to actually communicating. Alignment has no bearing on the single image that I posted, but camera shake was clearly an issue. The bracket set that I shot were all taken at ISO 250 - not shutter speed 1/250 second. I shot in aperture priority for a different shutter speed on each of the five shots. I bracketed set was done hand held in continuous shooting mode. The one with the highest exposure (the +2.67EV one that you are commenting on) ended up at 1/10 sec shutter speed. Clearly, too slow for achieving a good image result. So, I'll leave the results of that image with that conclusion.

I'll admit that I'm not an expert on the various HDR processing techniques, but your assertion that I "don't have a clue to the software that I already own" seems a bit over the top. Your assertion that I don't even know how to merge multiple files in photoshop/lightroom (via ACR or otherwise) makes little sense given the original post that included examples that did just that.

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Aug 23, 2017 15:59:47   #
rfcoakley Loc: Auburn, NH
 
Gene51 wrote:
My guess is that you could probably use the -1EV image all by itself, which would have recoverable highlights, and process that in Lightroom, without the chance of ghosting, horrible halos (the Nik version), etc.

Photomatix is great software when used correctly. But if you had a -2EV shot in the mix, it is not evident by the blown highlights in all of the images save for the Nik one. Even the Photomatix image has veiled highlights - gray and not clean, indicating a failed attempt at recovering blown highlights.

I would love to get a hold of the -1 EV image to see what could be done with it. From what I can see from what you posted, this is not a shot that requires or could benefit from HDR.

I am not sure how you arrived at your exposure compensation, but the proper exposure for your highlight shot should be equal to 1 stop over what the camera's spot meter reads for the bright boat deck in the lower left corner, and the proper exposure for your shadow shot should be the same boat at the waterline, uncompensated. The median exposure should be exactly that, the median between the two.

If your scene does not have a wide tonal range, it is not suitable for HDR processing, but you might get something interesting if you apply some tonemapping, such as what Photomatix offers.

I find that using HDR on moving subjects rarely yields a great shot - you just can't get rid of the ghosting. If you do come across an HDR type subject, then use a tripod. That will help with some of the ghosting.
My guess is that you could probably use the -1EV i... (show quote)


Thanks for the feedback Gene (I also responded with PM).

The exposure compensation was done because my histogram for a base shot indicated a large right sided gap. I was hoping that the EC would let me uncover more in post than I could otherwise. You certainly are correct that the scene may not be a good one for application of HDR techniques. However, I also was hoping that bracketing the shot would help overcome the poor lighting conditions that were present. Of course, "you can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear..." Also, in hindsight, since I wasn't using a tripod, I should have made sure that I'd achieve an adequate shutter speed for each shot in the sequence by using a higher ISO for the set (alternately, I could have employed auto ISO, but I also didn't want a varying ISO between bracket images).

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Aug 23, 2017 16:03:13   #
rfcoakley Loc: Auburn, NH
 
Linary wrote:
I think the LR version is the best - with a little clarity and Dehaze added. If you zoom in on the boat that Ron picked out, the LR version is relatively sharper or better aligned and there are more tones and detail showing.


thanks - I did like the lightroom HDR result, but not as much as Photomatix. Additional LR post processing such as the ones that you provided can clearly help.

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Aug 23, 2017 16:09:42   #
rfcoakley Loc: Auburn, NH
 
Fotoartist wrote:
You haven't taken full advantage of the settings.


agree - I'm sure that better results could be achieved with any of these HDR applications. The ability to tweak settings should also be considered. Of note (at least from what I see), Photomatix also has a lot more options for tweaking than the alternatives.

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Aug 23, 2017 16:11:59   #
rfcoakley Loc: Auburn, NH
 
TheDman wrote:
You seem to be missing the point of HDR software. HDR is for blending multiple shots of a scene that had extreme contrast. This scene had almost no contrast. Using HDR just to add some zip to dull scenes is less effective than if you just used your normal PP software on the scene.


thanks - for this scene, you appears that you are right.

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Aug 24, 2017 05:19:39   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
rfcoakley wrote:
I did some shooting in Newburyport, MA yesterday afternoon during some pretty lousy (bright yet hazy, late morning/early afternoon) lighting conditions. I knew that I wouldn't have very good results. For one sequence, I did a five shot bracket set with EV range 0,-1,+1,-2,+2. The shots were handheld at ISO 250, F/22.0 (aperture priority) with varying shutter speeds and with a polarizer filter. I post-processed the five shots using four different HDR processing applications. In each case, I tweaked the HDR settings in an attempt to get the most pleasing result (in my view). Of note, I very likely could have gotten better results from some of them with more tweaking of their various controls. My unscientific results: Photomatix was a clear winner - it did far better than I expected to get from the very harsh lighting over the scene. Next best was Lightroom - better than the others, but still dull when compared to Photomatix. Results from Photoshop and NIK were not good at all. The NIK result had significant ghosting that might have been reduced/eliminated if I selected the optional deghosting option, but it was otherwise so inferior that I didn't bother to try that.

Below are five images in following order:
(1) the (0 EV) source image.
(2) the Photomatix HDR (its a trial version with watermark)
(3) the Lightroom HDR
(4) the NIK HDR
(5) the Photoshop HDR

...I guess it may be time to purchase Photomatix license.
I did some shooting in Newburyport, MA yesterday a... (show quote)


Nice comparison, but there is so much variation available in HDR processing that you could make each of those look different. I prefer Photomatix Pro, too.

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Aug 24, 2017 06:32:54   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
To many Rongnongno is cruel and crude, by doing the non UHH thing of telling you like it is instead of giving you the typical "nice" or just thumbs up.

Personally, I think that Photomatix HDR is a way over priced software that is like a religion... you dare not like it! Franzis, obviously a WW2 German Company with dreams of annexing France, sells the "previous version" 4, vs the newest, 5 for $20 thru Ashampoo.
There is an additional set of presets available for $30. So, for $20 or $35 you can have an excellent HDR tool kit.
https://www.ashampoo.com/en/usd/pin/partner0105/partner-software/HDR-projects-4-elements
read my discussion @
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-480519-1.html
There are free presets also available as mentioned in my topic.

"The Captain Kimo" gives it a 4 star while giving Photomatix a 5 star. Franzis, 2015 #4 out of 20 tested. Guess who sponsors him ... yep Photomatix. https://captainkimo.com/hdr-software-review-comparison/

Final comment: "Write if you get work, till then hang by your thumbs."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/bob-and-ray-bob-elliott-and-ray-goulding-by-david-pollock/2013/07/03/6a8ffd26-ddc5-11e2-b197-f248b21f94c4_story.html?utm_term=.131c6a7e54a7

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Aug 24, 2017 07:27:26   #
Robert Bailey Loc: Canada
 
It is difficult to do good HDR without using a tripod.

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Aug 24, 2017 07:29:08   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
rfcoakley wrote:
I did some shooting in Newburyport, MA yesterday afternoon during some pretty lousy (bright yet hazy, late morning/early afternoon) lighting conditions. I knew that I wouldn't have very good results. For one sequence, I did a five shot bracket set with EV range 0,-1,+1,-2,+2. The shots were handheld at ISO 250, F/22.0 (aperture priority) with varying shutter speeds and with a polarizer filter. I post-processed the five shots using four different HDR processing applications. In each case, I tweaked the HDR settings in an attempt to get the most pleasing result (in my view). Of note, I very likely could have gotten better results from some of them with more tweaking of their various controls. My unscientific results: Photomatix was a clear winner - it did far better than I expected to get from the very harsh lighting over the scene. Next best was Lightroom - better than the others, but still dull when compared to Photomatix. Results from Photoshop and NIK were not good at all. The NIK result had significant ghosting that might have been reduced/eliminated if I selected the optional deghosting option, but it was otherwise so inferior that I didn't bother to try that.

Below are five images in following order:
(1) the (0 EV) source image.
(2) the Photomatix HDR (its a trial version with watermark)
(3) the Lightroom HDR
(4) the NIK HDR
(5) the Photoshop HDR

...I guess it may be time to purchase Photomatix license.
I did some shooting in Newburyport, MA yesterday a... (show quote)


This by SmartPhoto. I personally think that our resident "experts" have, on this occasion, got it wrong. Perhaps they were not looking at the source photo?


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Aug 24, 2017 07:29:53   #
Robert Bailey Loc: Canada
 
https://captainkimo.com/hdr-software-review-comparison/

At the above link "Captain Kimo" tests and rates 20 different HDR programs.
You can also download his 210-page book on HDR photography for FREE.

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Aug 24, 2017 07:38:41   #
johneccles Loc: Leyland UK
 
rfcoakley wrote:
I did some shooting in Newburyport, MA yesterday afternoon during some pretty lousy (bright yet hazy, late morning/early afternoon) lighting conditions. I knew that I wouldn't have very good results. For one sequence, I did a five shot bracket set with EV range 0,-1,+1,-2,+2. The shots were handheld at ISO 250, F/22.0 (aperture priority) with varying shutter speeds and with a polarizer filter. I post-processed the five shots using four different HDR processing applications. In each case, I tweaked the HDR settings in an attempt to get the most pleasing result (in my view). Of note, I very likely could have gotten better results from some of them with more tweaking of their various controls. My unscientific results: Photomatix was a clear winner - it did far better than I expected to get from the very harsh lighting over the scene. Next best was Lightroom - better than the others, but still dull when compared to Photomatix. Results from Photoshop and NIK were not good at all. The NIK result had significant ghosting that might have been reduced/eliminated if I selected the optional deghosting option, but it was otherwise so inferior that I didn't bother to try that.

Below are five images in following order:
(1) the (0 EV) source image.
(2) the Photomatix HDR (its a trial version with watermark)
(3) the Lightroom HDR
(4) the NIK HDR
(5) the Photoshop HDR

...I guess it may be time to purchase Photomatix license.
I did some shooting in Newburyport, MA yesterday a... (show quote)


Your'e correct Photomatix is the best in that list, the worst by far is NIK HDR, it is seriously overdone just look at that awful ghosting round the yacht's masts.

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Aug 24, 2017 07:41:40   #
Brent Rowlett Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
It is pretty hard to beat Aurora for Mac or Nik software for individual images. I process 300 HDR images for real estate per day.

Photomatix is not that great but the only advantage it has is to batch process multiple images so I am stuck with it. You might have gotten lucky with a stock preset. If I have a single image I always use Luminar or Nik--so many more controls and tone mapping options to add structure and effects to selected areas of the piece.

First for conditions such as this, I would not waste my time taking pictures. But for an acceptable image, I would shoot one image RAW, use Sky Swap to remove the ugly sky, saturate the water, and sharpen.

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Aug 24, 2017 07:49:20   #
Brent Rowlett Loc: Atlanta, GA
 
Forgot to mention...
Unless you are locked down on a tripod shooting multiple images, your comparison tells/shows me nothing. The auto alighn and remove ghosting must be used for hand held.

For a meaningful test, pick a sunny day and use a tripod. This will give you a good base to test how the programs handle color, structure, and detail.

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Aug 24, 2017 07:51:10   #
johneccles Loc: Leyland UK
 
dpullum wrote:
To many Rongnongno is cruel and crude, by doing the non UHH thing of telling you like it is instead of giving you the typical "nice" or just thumbs up.

Personally, I think that Photomatix HDR is a way over priced software that is like a religion... you dare not like it! Franzis, obviously a WW2 German Company with dreams of annexing France, sells the "previous version" 4, vs the newest, 5 for $20 thru Ashampoo.
There is an additional set of presets available for $30. So, for $20 or $35 you can have an excellent HDR tool kit.
https://www.ashampoo.com/en/usd/pin/partner0105/partner-software/HDR-projects-4-elements
read my discussion @
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-480519-1.html
There are free presets also available as mentioned in my topic.

"The Captain Kimo" gives it a 4 star while giving Photomatix a 5 star. Franzis, 2015 #4 out of 20 tested. Guess who sponsors him ... yep Photomatix. https://captainkimo.com/hdr-software-review-comparison/

Final comment: "Write if you get work, till then hang by your thumbs."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/bob-and-ray-bob-elliott-and-ray-goulding-by-david-pollock/2013/07/03/6a8ffd26-ddc5-11e2-b197-f248b21f94c4_story.html?utm_term=.131c6a7e54a7
To many Rongnongno is cruel and crude, by doing th... (show quote)


I agree with your comment about Rongnongno, he really cannot stop himself from making comments like this one, I would not be surprised if we never hear from the OP again.

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