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Aug 20, 2017 19:03:57   #
CO
 
There's a quick test you can do to see if AF fine tuning is required. Shoot some images using the viewfinder (phase detection autofocus) and the same images in live view mode (contrast detection autofocus). There are no focusing errors with contrast detection autofocus because the camera adjusts the focus until it achieves the highest contrast at the sensor. Phase detection autofocus is error prone. All of the components in the phase detection system must be very precisely aligned in order to be accurate.

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Aug 21, 2017 05:32:25   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Gene51 wrote:
The key point here is if the lens is fine with the other body, it and the body are clearly within spec, and your D810 is not. Bringing the D810 up to spec is what you want.


Sounds good to me.

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Aug 21, 2017 09:11:13   #
camerapapi Loc: Miami, Fl.
 
I am in full agreement with SS319. Many times this is an issue that can be resolved sharpening the file in post. When the lens is manufactured, especially a professional lens like yours, tolerances are kept to a minimum and since the lens is made by the same camera manufacturer we should expect that everything should work like it should. Nonetheless if I had such dilemma and I were close to a Nikon repair facility I would take both bodies with the lens to them for inspection. They are in a much better position than we are to check both cameras and determine what is exactly what is going on. Like it was said perhaps and adjustment to the lens could result in sharper images for body B but not necessarily for body A when it is done.
I am going to consider that there are no erroneous focus involved in this issue.

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Aug 21, 2017 09:11:41   #
steve03 Loc: long Lsland
 
nikonwaddy wrote:
I have had my new AF-S 24-70 2.8E ED lens living on my Nikon D800 for a while and it provided amazing and very sharp results. Recently I decided to forgo the coming Nikon D850 and purchased a Nikon D810 because of price and other issues. Much to my surprise the 24-70 2.8E on my D810 is a much softer lens. Acuity of this lens on the D810 is noticeably less than on my D800. I have run test back and forth between bodies and the results are the same. Lens sharper on the D800. My question..is this a not so unusual situation? Can it be corrected? I am thinking of trudging down to my superb local camera shop here in Austin to have them adjust the lens focus to the D810 if this is possible. I would appreciate any thoughts or ideas from my fellow "Hoggers."

Thanking all commenters in advance.
I have had my new AF-S 24-70 2.8E ED lens living o... (show quote)


I don't have a D 810 but I do have a Nikon. try this: go to the shooting menu>scroll down to"Set picture control"hit oK the. scroll to standard or standard02 and increase sharpness, I increased mine to 3 and it worked wonderfully

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Aug 21, 2017 09:21:16   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
SS319 wrote:
If your lens is sharp on camera A and not sharp on Camera B, what has changed? Did the lens change? NOoo! Then, why calibrate the lens?

Compare camera A with Camera B with a Different High Quality lens: Are the images equal between the cameras or is Camera B again softer?

Perhaps you should seek to find out why camera B is different rather than just arbitrarily calibrating the lens; what happens if the lens is calibrated and is then soft on both cameras? Now, you are worse off!

You did do your homework, so you know that the D800 has a lo pass filter while the D810 does not. The D810 also has a newer processor (probably to account for the lack of Low Pass Filter); it is far more likely that the differences you see are between the cameras and NOT in a single lens!.

The point is, you know the lens works fine in one setting but not in another, and you know there are differences in light accumulation and processing in one camera compared to the other. There is no justifiable reason to think the lens somehow goes out of calibration by attaching to a different camera - what if you want to use it again on your D800? Do you need to get it calibrated every time you change?
If your lens is sharp on camera A and not sharp on... (show quote)


Is this related to your screen name?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Becuna_(SS-319)

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Aug 21, 2017 09:23:27   #
turp77 Loc: Connecticut, Plainfield
 
SS319 wrote:
If I want to eat an apple, so I say I am going to have an orange?

Every comment says calibrate the lens - the lens! In fact, each of you apparently meant calibrate the camera body to the lens or simply, calibrate the body!

And then you accuse ME of not understanding lens calibration; you guys need to get your English on!

A lens calibration ALWAYS makes adjustments to the lens - a Camera body calibration will make changes to the BODY.

What I said - and I stand behind it - the problem is not in the lens and if you "Calibrate" the lens to the D810, then it will not then work with the D800.
Corollary: If you calibrate the body to the lens, then the lens should work on both bodies!
If I want to eat an apple, so I say I am going to ... (show quote)


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Aug 21, 2017 09:38:42   #
RickL Loc: Vail, Az
 
Thank you all, I adjusted mine to vivid 8. I have a D810

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Aug 21, 2017 09:51:17   #
Rich1939 Loc: Pike County Penna.
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
You don't understand AF fine tuning (why it exists ...)


Please tell me what in my statement leads you to that conclusion? While you are at it would you also let me in on how you know anything about me at all?

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Aug 21, 2017 14:14:14   #
RichardSM Loc: Back in Texas
 
The folks at Percision Camera will be glad to assist you make sure you take both camera's body's. And say hello to Richard if he is in that day.




nikonwaddy wrote:
I have had my new AF-S 24-70 2.8E ED lens living on my Nikon D800 for a while and it provided amazing and very sharp results. Recently I decided to forgo the coming Nikon D850 and purchased a Nikon D810 because of price and other issues. Much to my surprise the 24-70 2.8E on my D810 is a much softer lens. Acuity of this lens on the D810 is noticeably less than on my D800. I have run test back and forth between bodies and the results are the same. Lens sharper on the D800. My question..is this a not so unusual situation? Can it be corrected? I am thinking of trudging down to my superb local camera shop here in Austin to have them adjust the lens focus to the D810 if this is possible. I would appreciate any thoughts or ideas from my fellow "Hoggers."

Thanking all commenters in advance.
I have had my new AF-S 24-70 2.8E ED lens living o... (show quote)

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Aug 21, 2017 18:44:15   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 

--Bob
SS319 wrote:
If I want to eat an apple, so I say I am going to have an orange?

Every comment says calibrate the lens - the lens! In fact, each of you apparently meant calibrate the camera body to the lens or simply, calibrate the body!

And then you accuse ME of not understanding lens calibration; you guys need to get your English on!

A lens calibration ALWAYS makes adjustments to the lens - a Camera body calibration will make changes to the BODY.

What I said - and I stand behind it - the problem is not in the lens and if you "Calibrate" the lens to the D810, then it will not then work with the D800.
Corollary: If you calibrate the body to the lens, then the lens should work on both bodies!
If I want to eat an apple, so I say I am going to ... (show quote)

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Aug 21, 2017 19:01:01   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
SS319 wrote:
If your lens is sharp on camera A and not sharp on Camera B, what has changed? Did the lens change? NOoo! Then, why calibrate the lens?

Compare camera A with Camera B with a Different High Quality lens: Are the images equal between the cameras or is Camera B again softer?

Perhaps you should seek to find out why camera B is different rather than just arbitrarily calibrating the lens; what happens if the lens is calibrated and is then soft on both cameras? Now, you are worse off!

You did do your homework, so you know that the D800 has a lo pass filter while the D810 does not. The D810 also has a newer processor (probably to account for the lack of Low Pass Filter); it is far more likely that the differences you see are between the cameras and NOT in a single lens!.

The point is, you know the lens works fine in one setting but not in another, and you know there are differences in light accumulation and processing in one camera compared to the other. There is no justifiable reason to think the lens somehow goes out of calibration by attaching to a different camera - what if you want to use it again on your D800? Do you need to get it calibrated every time you change?
If your lens is sharp on camera A and not sharp on... (show quote)


No changes are made to the lens. It is settings in the camera that are saved for that lens.

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Aug 22, 2017 20:27:17   #
mwsilvers Loc: Central New Jersey
 
Japakomom wrote:
If you purchased the camera from your local store, they will most likely calibrate the lens to your camera for no charge. It is pretty quick to do and if you feel comfortable doing it, you can do it yourself.


I would calibrate the camera to the lens using the built in software rather than modifying the lens itself, which is permanent and will likely mean the lens will be off on every other camera body you mount it on. I learned that lesson the hard way.

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Aug 22, 2017 21:20:21   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Yes. Ask them to electronically calibrate your lens to the D810. They normally charge less than $40 for that service. Precision does a great job.
nikonwaddy wrote:
I have had my new AF-S 24-70 2.8E ED lens living on my Nikon D800 for a while and it provided amazing and very sharp results. Recently I decided to forgo the coming Nikon D850 and purchased a Nikon D810 because of price and other issues. Much to my surprise the 24-70 2.8E on my D810 is a much softer lens. Acuity of this lens on the D810 is noticeably less than on my D800. I have run test back and forth between bodies and the results are the same. Lens sharper on the D800. My question..is this a not so unusual situation? Can it be corrected? I am thinking of trudging down to my superb local camera shop here in Austin to have them adjust the lens focus to the D810 if this is possible. I would appreciate any thoughts or ideas from my fellow "Hoggers."

Thanking all commenters in advance.
I have had my new AF-S 24-70 2.8E ED lens living o... (show quote)

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Aug 22, 2017 21:22:56   #
Japakomom Loc: Originally from the Last Frontier
 
mwsilvers wrote:
I would calibrate the camera to the lens using the built in software rather than modifying the lens itself, which is permanent and will likely mean the lens will be off on every other camera body you mount it on. I learned that lesson the hard way.


Yes, I clarified later that it is calibrating the camera body to the lens.

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Aug 22, 2017 21:24:18   #
DavidPine Loc: Fredericksburg, TX
 
Precision is an authorized dealer and they do very good work.
Gene51 wrote:
Don't let the camera store do anything, unless it is Nikon Authorized Repair.

AF Tuning in the camera is not intended as a permanent solution. Look at your manual - it specifically warns that other aspects of focus will be unintentionally affected.

Nikon techs have software and tools and access to other parameters that you or the local camera store does not, and they can do a substantially better job at correcting focus errors, for all focal lengths and distances - something you can't do.

What you can do is use a test target to see what the extent of the problem is.

My experience with this is the following.

I purchased a Nikon refurbed D800 as a back up. I took it to an event, and nearly all of the images taken with it were soft - regardless of which lens I had on the body - Nikon, Sigma, Tamron. These lenses were fine on the other D800, and on all the other bodies I had used with them. The problem was clearly with the camera.

They suggested I leave the camera with a lens that showed the problem best - a 600mm F4. I reluctantly agreed, but told them I was not authorizing them to make any adjustments on the lens, as it was fine with at least 5 other bodies.

They called and recommended a reconditioning on the lens. I refused. They said the body was tested and it was fine. When I picked it up, took some shots in the parking lot it was clear that it still had a focus issue. They took it back ran some tests and made some software and possibly focus sensor and mirror adjustments on their optical bench, and voila! It was fine - with all of my lenses.

The key point here is if the lens is fine with the other body, it and the body are clearly within spec, and your D810 is not. Bringing the D810 up to spec is what you want.
Don't let the camera store do anything, unless it ... (show quote)

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