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Aug 18, 2017 15:33:15   #
jackpinoh Loc: Kettering, OH 45419
 
jerryc41 wrote:
There are hundreds of different high quality cameras available, and many people would like to own the "best" one. The features a camera offers help move it into that "best" category. Why, then, would manufacturers leave out features that they could easily include to make their cameras more appealing? I know they offer more on their high end models to attract buyers who are willing to spend more, but even at the high end, some brands offer features not available in other brands.

Let's say that four top level cameras have identical features, how could a lab determine which one is the absolute best camera. Using that system, they could also determine the best entry level and pro-sumer model. I know personal opinion might play a part, but it shouldn't. The feel of a camera is irrelevant when what you want is quality. I have lots of differently shaped cameras, and my hands adapt to them just fine. Magazines and online sites like to pick the best cameras in different categories, but they never seem to agree.

Another consideration is the weaknesses of cameras. If Camera A has a weakness in a certain area, and Camera B doesn't, why wouldn't the makers of Camera A correct that? They can see what the competition is doing and where they are coming up short. I don't think this is a financial situation, just design and attention to details. So many cameras have so many features and such good quality, that it seems like it would be possible to combine all of that into one brand.

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There are hundreds of different high quality camer... (show quote)

Instead of anguishing over which camera is the best, I just buy one of each (and just one lens for each--to save money).

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Aug 18, 2017 15:54:56   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
Oh no. Juneau, Alaska is in a rain forest. The best pictures are outside in the rain.

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Aug 18, 2017 18:11:46   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
jerryc41 wrote:
There are hundreds of different high quality cameras available, and many people would like to own the "best" one. The features a camera offers help move it into that "best" category. Why, then, would manufacturers leave out features that they could easily include to make their cameras more appealing? I know they offer more on their high end models to attract buyers who are willing to spend more, but even at the high end, some brands offer features not available in other brands.

Let's say that four top level cameras have identical features, how could a lab determine which one is the absolute best camera. Using that system, they could also determine the best entry level and pro-sumer model. I know personal opinion might play a part, but it shouldn't. The feel of a camera is irrelevant when what you want is quality. I have lots of differently shaped cameras, and my hands adapt to them just fine. Magazines and online sites like to pick the best cameras in different categories, but they never seem to agree.

Another consideration is the weaknesses of cameras. If Camera A has a weakness in a certain area, and Camera B doesn't, why wouldn't the makers of Camera A correct that? They can see what the competition is doing and where they are coming up short. I don't think this is a financial situation, just design and attention to details. So many cameras have so many features and such good quality, that it seems like it would be possible to combine all of that into one brand.

Ideas? Comments?
There are hundreds of different high quality camer... (show quote)


The Kodak Brownie series's by far the best ever. Introduced millions to photography for decades.

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Aug 18, 2017 18:17:21   #
Tet68survivor Loc: Pomfret Center CT
 
Architect1776 wrote:
The Kodak Brownie series's by far the best ever. Introduced millions to photography for decades.


You do have a point and it didn't cost Thousands of bucks!

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Aug 18, 2017 18:18:08   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Tet68survivor wrote:
You do have a point and it didn't cost Thousands of bucks!



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Aug 18, 2017 18:29:07   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
CamB wrote:
Oh no. Juneau, Alaska is in a rain forest. The best pictures are outside in the rain.
With no context provided by "Quote Reply", I have no idea why you posted this.

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Aug 18, 2017 18:43:54   #
jmvaugh Loc: Albuquerque
 
The best camera for me is the one sitting in my camera bag with a charged battery, my favorite lens, and a freshly formatted SD card.

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Aug 18, 2017 18:43:58   #
alfengael
 
rmalarz wrote:
...Back some 40 years ago, Nikon offered two 35mm cameras, the F and the Nikkormat (Nikomat in Japan).
--Bob


My first 35mm was a Nikkormat; after a year or so I sold it and bought a Nikon FM and later added an FE2. Those two cameras served my 35mm needs as a pro for many years, but I also had an F2AS as well as medium format Hasselblad and an Arca-Swiss 4x5. In all three formats the number of models was pretty limited, and that made it easy to choose, and mostly they were all pretty much "best." Nowadays, you not only have the extreme complexity of DSLRs, with various sensor sizes and various sensor qualities, you have many models with many different features.

As Bob has pointed out, any given year of the 35mm film era Nikon only offered perhaps a couple 2-3 models and the differences made some sense: the F2 being a heavy rugged pro camera with interchangeable finders and so on; the FM, a lightweight easy to handle manual camera, and an auto exposure version of the FM, the FE. All used 35mm, no APS (yet), all took the same photographs when mounted with the same lens. If you wanted some different quality you used a different film. I used an Ilford ASA/ISO 1000 color transparency film occasionally, specifically for the graininess of it. Kodachrome 64 for portraiture, fine grain and for red tones; Ektachrome 100 or 200 for some landscapes, for a gain in speed and blue tones, Tri-X 400 for low-light and action black and white. Film made the difference, not the camera.

So why do we need so danged many different models? Sensor/lens combinations lock us into a particular quality, and there are many combinations with many different qualities. If you want low noise you need full-frame and amongst full-frame offerings there can be a lot of difference. My Canon 6D is better than my Nikon D810 at ISO 200, 400, 800 or above. The D810 is sharper than any of them at f/5.6 or below. It's almost as if you have to have a different camera in the same way we used to have different films, to achieve different results or for different shooting situations.

I tend to think that it would be better for the manufacturers to have fewer models and focus (pun intended) strictly on achieving only the highest quality photos. All full-frame, one high resolution model like the D810 for dynamic range and large prints; another model for high-speed action photography; one for high ISO shooting in extreme low light, and so on. Much correction and different effects are now easily achieved in post with all the various applications and plugins now available from folks like NIK Dfine (highly recommended), DxO and ON1. Limited models would bring the manufacturing costs down and make quality cameras and lenses more affordable for more people.

For me, there are three or four best DSLRs: The Nikon D810, The Nikon D750, the Canon 6D, and maybe the Nikon D7200 or Canon 80D for APS-C, but then I haven't tried the many, many different brands and models. I am sure there are many other cameras that would serve the purpose; I agree with the sentiment of others— it's not the camera so much as it's the eye behind it.

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Aug 18, 2017 19:30:35   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
alfengael wrote:
So why do we need so danged many different models? Sensor/lens combinations lock us into a particular quality, and there are many combinations with many different qualities. If you want low noise you need full-frame and amongst full-frame offerings there can be a lot of difference. My Canon 6D is better than my Nikon D810 at ISO 200, 400, 800 or above. The D810 is sharper than any of them at f/5.6 or below. It's almost as if you have to have a different camera in the same way we used to have different films, to achieve different results or for different shooting situations.
So why do we need so danged many different models?... (show quote)
You begin to answer your own question here. When I purchased my first SLR, a Pentax ME SE, in 1979, it was sold without a sensor. Every 12-36 exposures I would pick a new sensor package, and the choice I made from time to time could radically change the camera. That camera had no built-in flash; if I wanted to add flash I could. That camera had no motor-drive; if I wanted to add a motor drive I could.

Today, when they build a camera, they are making sensor, flash, fps ... all kinds of decisions for us. In the old days, I would simply buy a camera and add what I wanted. Today, no manufacturer wants me to pass them by because they don't have a camera with the "options" I want - or because unwanted "options" have driven up the drive of a camera that otherwise would be perfect for me.

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Aug 18, 2017 19:52:20   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
Oppps... it was meant to go with an earlier post but I hit the wrong button. Ignore it. Out of context it means nothing. I'll try and get it right next time.
Architect1776 wrote:

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Aug 18, 2017 20:15:44   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
Oppps... it was meant to go with an earlier post but I hit the wrong button. Ignore it. Out of context it means nothing. I'll try and get it right next time.
rehess wrote:
With no context provided by "Quote Reply", I have no idea why you posted this.

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Aug 18, 2017 20:54:49   #
alfengael
 
rehess wrote:
You begin to answer your own question here...
Today, when they build a camera, they are making sensor, flash, fps ... all kinds of decisions for us.


Precisely. We don't get to choose, unless we buy a dozen or two different cameras.

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Aug 18, 2017 22:55:29   #
BudsOwl Loc: Upstate NY and New England
 
JBK wrote:
I think the best camera is the one you have in your hand......!


I was going to say that but you beat me to it.


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Aug 18, 2017 23:12:38   #
SS319
 
I challenge you to even define the qualities of the best camera.

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Aug 18, 2017 23:17:59   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
camerapapi wrote:
Jerry, as far as we both know the "perfect" camera has not been built yet. If it will be in the future that I do not know.
Look at dSLR cameras. Since digital went into the old bodies of film cameras there has been a progressive improvement in functions and quality but they lack many features that at least in my case I consider so useful for the photographer. We have to spend good money to get a dSLR camera with live view that will reflect live the actual exposure on the monitor. High shooting rates for this cameras is something like 8 FPS. There are so many functions and parameters that could be incorporated for a better photography and instead they are not there, at least in the most popular models.
Look at mirrorless cameras. No mirror allows for a shooting rate that exceeds 10 FPS. They are smaller, lighter and very competent when it comes to image quality. With my Olympus cameras I can see in the monitor my actual exposure, a godsend of a useful feature. I have no doubts in my mind that mirrorless cameras are technologically speaking far advanced than dSLR cameras. I do not know of a dSLR that has all the useful features a mirrorless has.
It is true as Mr. Ferguson says that there is cost involved but, isn't it the same cost for both types of cameras? Why mirrorless with more features than even professional dSLR bodies?
As I said, the perfect camera has not been built yet but there are plenty of bodies out there that can do what we want in our photography and the majority are full of the features we need.
Jerry, as far as we both know the "perfect&qu... (show quote)


"Perfect" and "best" are not the same: the first is unattainable; the second is a moving target....

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