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Aug 16, 2017 20:45:22   #
SBW
 
It has been pretty amusing as well as disappointing and a bit scary to watch you lefties crap in your pants the last three days over the Trump impeachable offense of the week. Most but not quite all have been backing up your uninformed opinions and statements with lie after lie or just total complete ignorance. You all think you are experts on the history of this country 150-200 years ago when you really know nothing and from that nothing to attempt to revise history to fit your slanderous and un-American agenda.
What happened in Charlottesville, VA on Saturday is NOT Donald Trump's fault. To say it is his fault is silly. You may say you do not like the way he responded to the incident in Virginia but you would hate what he says no matter what he says. Mr. Trump could have made the heavens open up and have the racists punished then and there but you would have found fault with that. Why? Because you are so full of hate for one man, that you hate him and the people that support much more than you love this country. If you say you don't you are only lying to yourself. You call Trump a racist and a neo-Nazi. Based on what? Really, based on what? Provide proof. You can't.

Again, you might not like the way President Trump responded. You state he did not condemn the racist and the Nazis but he did-twice. For some reason, you choose to continually lie about that. But that is not what you should be worried about. What you should be worried about is the lawlessness and lack of law enforcement on Saturday in Charlottesville, VA on Saturday. What happened on Saturday should scare you to death, that is if you are not so full of hate and smart enough to understand what happened. This is factually what happened on Saturday: A group of white supremacists, neo-Nazis and other racists with a repugnant un-American agenda secured a permit to have a protest march and state their case however repugnant and offensive their beliefs are. By everyone's account, they were marching and protesting peacefully. Then, a leftist group, that DID NOT have a permit to march and demonstrate attacked the racist group with baseball bats, tear gas, and spray cans of fire. The substantial police presence that was there stepped back, withdrew and allowed it to happen. Completely lawless. If you are intellectually honest, no matter how much you disagree with what the racist group stands for, and most all of us do disagree, the group legally protesting was wronged and lawlessness prevailed. Again, if you are intellectually honest and many of you are not, you are ignorant, hateful and petty. But if you are honest this should scare you to death. Mobs pulling down and burning statues outside of legal process should scare you to death. THIS IS EXACTLY what happened in Nazi Germany, Mao's China and Stalin's Russia. And then........they came for the people. Where does it stop? What is enough? When will there be enough? We fought a war supposedly over just slavery and over 600,000 Americans died and it seems that was not enough. What is enough? Where does it stop? As a result of those statues being lawlessly pulled down and destroyed yesterday and today in Durham and Baltimore what was accomplished? What good was gained? Did it stop another black on black murder in Chicago? Were there fewer rapes in Baltimore last night? Did we wake up today to suddenly find that Detroit had been rebuilt and is all pristine and new and prosperous? Did fewer black kids go to bed last night hungry and unafraid? Did the black graduation rate from inter city schools suddenly jump 10 percentage points and will every year after this one? Is that it? Is everything now settled? Are race relations in this country now as good as their they are going to get because of the lawlessness and now everyone is going to get along forever? Did the left accomplish everything they want by setting up that situation in Charlottesville, VA? Is that now enough? Are we now at the place and everyone has had enough that going forward it will now be okay for one group to be offended as long as another one is not? Is that the result? Is that what you want? What do we do next, dig up the Confederate dead? Does that finally solve it? Answer those questions, and others, honestly.

If you are under the illusion of this working, of tearing down statues solving all the problems. If you think that is it and now you have your way, then I hate to tell you the trouble that is coming has not even yet begun. And that......should scare you to death.

The below short article was written and released by Ben Stein earlier today. Mr. Stein, is a lawyer, a constitutional lawyer, a northerner and a Jew. Mr. Stein is not a big fan of Mr. Trump. If you are open minded enough and not so full of hate then read his very brief but very well thought out take on what happened Saturday, what happened 150 years ago and his view of President Trump's response.




Ben Stein's Diary

By Ben Stein

August 16, 2017, 12:30 pm

Good for him for taking the hard way out and defending the Constitution.

Now for a few words about the Confederate statues contretemps in various states.

1. I wonder how many of the counter-protesters at the Charlottesville event even had any idea who Robert E. Lee was. He was a major hero of the Mexican-American War. He fought for the Confederacy against the Union, but at the time he did it, it was not illegal. Slavery was — while 100 percent evil — completely protected by law as of 1861. When Lee went to work to defend his native Virginia, he was not violating any law.

In fact, at no time did the Supreme Court rule that secession was unconstitutional. To the contrary, when the Supreme Court moved towards declaring secession lawful, President Lincoln, in violation of every lawful principle, threatened to have Roger Taney, the Chief Justice, arrested and jailed. He had already used federal troops to arrest much of the Maryland state legislature to keep Maryland from seceding. Again, this was an unequivocal violation of the Constitution. And when a court ordered the legislators released under habeas corpus, Lincoln simply ignored the order.

When the Army of Northern Virginia surrendered at Appomattox Court House in the spring of 1865, some officers of Lee’s Army suggested an ongoing guerrilla campaign against the Union. Lee absolutely vetoed the idea, saying that enough blood had been shed and that it was time to bind up the wounds of war.



I wonder how many of the counter-protesters who threw containers of urine and bottles and sticks at the protesters who actually had a license to demonstrate knew anything about Lee the peacemaker or about Lincoln, the lawbreaker. I wonder how many Americans of any age know that the immense majority of Southerners owned no slaves and that they laid down their lives to protect not slavery, but an invasion by Northerners who by the laws of the day simply had no clear legal right to be in North Carolina or Virginia at arms.

2. I watched with astonishment the demolition of the statue of a Confederate soldier in Durham. No police at hand at all to stop the destruction of public property. No vote by any government body to remove the statue. Just a mob of “students” and a complete absence of police or law enforcement at all. This was mob rule. Pure, simple, and terrifying.

Why even bother to have police at all if this is the way the law is protected?

3. I see that, as of late Tuesday night, the media is going berserk with rage about President Trump saying there were lawbreakers on both sides in C-Ville. But clearly, Mr. Trump was right. The pro-statue people were strange looking, but they had a permit and they had the First Amendment. The ones who attacked them with clubs were the instigators.

Yes, of course, I hate anyone who even hints at sympathy for the Nazis. The monstrous evil of those demons is unmatched. But they have the right to speak when not inciting violence and when not committing violence. Otherwise, the Constitution is trash.

For Trump to point out that while the KKK and the Nazis are nauseating, they have free speech rights, is not only correct but actually brave of him. To take on the MSM and say the Constitution is above the networks and the major newspapers makes him a hero. The same day that this story appeared, I got a USPS letter saying — in a childish type written note on a torn sheet of lined paper, “Ben Stein–Economist, Lawyer, Actor, Commentator–Most of all F–king Jew.” I’d rather get those every hour of every day than lose one iota of the First Amendment. I appreciate that Trump, who is tortured every day by a hate-filled free press, still defends free speech. His endurance is exemplary.

As Mr. Trump said, the day in C-Ville was agonizing. But for those who stood up for free speech, it was a glorious day.

For the apparent murderer by car, it will be judgment day.

More to come, but for now, good for Donald Trump for taking the hard way out, and, I suspect, the far harder and more courageous way into a new media civil war. The Constitution or the MSM. Which side are you on, brother? Which side are you on?

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Aug 16, 2017 20:48:13   #
user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32
 
LIAR!!!

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Aug 16, 2017 20:53:33   #
SBW
 
user47602 wrote:
LIAR!!!


Prove it green and then go screw yourself.

YOU ARE ALSO A COWARD GREEN. I have no one blocked so anyone can respond to me, even a goofball like you. But you are a coward you block people that disagree with you. You do not even make a good fairy green. LOL

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Aug 16, 2017 20:54:36   #
SBW
 
user47602 wrote:
LIAR!!!


Typical lefty hater, you cannot take facts. Prove there is one lie in my post crap for brains, prove it. You are not a man, you are a mindless dwarf.

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Aug 16, 2017 21:06:24   #
ejrmaine Loc: South Carolina
 
SBW wrote:
Prove it green and then go screw yourself.

YOU ARE ALSO A COWARD GREEN. I have no one blocked so anyone can respond to me, even a goofball like you. But you are a coward you block people that disagree with you. You do not even make a good fairy green. LOL


SBW, don't you love how the Lefties scream foul insults and call you names when you compose a logical argument. Green, in his mask, calls you a Liar, without offering any dialog. When these names and insults don't stop you, they block you on their posts to keep you from offering comments that do not fit their message.

Keep on posting.

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Aug 16, 2017 21:50:15   #
user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32
 
SBW wrote:
Typical lefty hater, you cannot take facts. Prove there is one lie in my post crap for brains, prove it. You are not a man, you are a mindless dwarf.
ok, here's one thing

2. I watched with astonishment the demolition of the statue of a Confederate soldier in Durham. No police at hand at all to stop the destruction of public property. No vote by any government body to remove the statue. Just a mob of “students” and a complete absence of police or law enforcement at all. This was mob rule. Pure, simple, and terrifying.

to me this is vandalism...a crime, not violent, against people anyway, but against public property. The people on the video should be identified and prosecuted. "Mob" is also a fair characterization; I would not have walked into that crowd with a Trump hat on.

But REALLY NOW! How would I actually go about proving that you, or rather the author (whom you have quoted an are in apparent agreement with)...was actually both "astonished" and "terrified".

Now I can understand astonished. Some people astonish easily, like if your first name is the same as theirs... no way man! But terrified? did the author in fact have a trump hat on? Did he wory they will get his name from the column and find out where he lives are terrorizes him... and you. Just lock you doors at night, snowflake.

please... this guy is a very hyperbolic writer with so much slant he's about to fall over.

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Aug 16, 2017 22:15:40   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
SBW wrote:
It has been pretty amusing as well as disappointing and a bit scary to watch you lefties crap in your pants the last three days over the Trump impeachable offense of the week. Most but not quite all have been backing up your uninformed opinions and statements with lie after lie or just total complete ignorance. You all think you are experts on the history of this country 150-200 years ago when you really know nothing and from that nothing to attempt to revise history to fit your slanderous and un-American agenda.
What happened in Charlottesville, VA on Saturday is NOT Donald Trump's fault. To say it is his fault is silly. You may say you do not like the way he responded to the incident in Virginia but you would hate what he says no matter what he says. Mr. Trump could have made the heavens open up and have the racists punished then and there but you would have found fault with that. Why? Because you are so full of hate for one man, that you hate him and the people that support much more than you love this country. If you say you don't you are only lying to yourself. You call Trump a racist and a neo-Nazi. Based on what? Really, based on what? Provide proof. You can't.

Again, you might not like the way President Trump responded. You state he did not condemn the racist and the Nazis but he did-twice. For some reason, you choose to continually lie about that. But that is not what you should be worried about. What you should be worried about is the lawlessness and lack of law enforcement on Saturday in Charlottesville, VA on Saturday. What happened on Saturday should scare you to death, that is if you are not so full of hate and smart enough to understand what happened. This is factually what happened on Saturday: A group of white supremacists, neo-Nazis and other racists with a repugnant un-American agenda secured a permit to have a protest march and state their case however repugnant and offensive their beliefs are. By everyone's account, they were marching and protesting peacefully. Then, a leftist group, that DID NOT have a permit to march and demonstrate attacked the racist group with baseball bats, tear gas, and spray cans of fire. The substantial police presence that was there stepped back, withdrew and allowed it to happen. Completely lawless. If you are intellectually honest, no matter how much you disagree with what the racist group stands for, and most all of us do disagree, the group legally protesting was wronged and lawlessness prevailed. Again, if you are intellectually honest and many of you are not, you are ignorant, hateful and petty. But if you are honest this should scare you to death. Mobs pulling down and burning statues outside of legal process should scare you to death. THIS IS EXACTLY what happened in Nazi Germany, Mao's China and Stalin's Russia. And then........they came for the people. Where does it stop? What is enough? When will there be enough? We fought a war supposedly over just slavery and over 600,000 Americans died and it seems that was not enough. What is enough? Where does it stop? As a result of those statues being lawlessly pulled down and destroyed yesterday and today in Durham and Baltimore what was accomplished? What good was gained? Did it stop another black on black murder in Chicago? Were there fewer rapes in Baltimore last night? Did we wake up today to suddenly find that Detroit had been rebuilt and is all pristine and new and prosperous? Did fewer black kids go to bed last night hungry and unafraid? Did the black graduation rate from inter city schools suddenly jump 10 percentage points and will every year after this one? Is that it? Is everything now settled? Are race relations in this country now as good as their they are going to get because of the lawlessness and now everyone is going to get along forever? Did the left accomplish everything they want by setting up that situation in Charlottesville, VA? Is that now enough? Are we now at the place and everyone has had enough that going forward it will now be okay for one group to be offended as long as another one is not? Is that the result? Is that what you want? What do we do next, dig up the Confederate dead? Does that finally solve it? Answer those questions, and others, honestly.

If you are under the illusion of this working, of tearing down statues solving all the problems. If you think that is it and now you have your way, then I hate to tell you the trouble that is coming has not even yet begun. And that......should scare you to death.

The below short article was written and released by Ben Stein earlier today. Mr. Stein, is a lawyer, a constitutional lawyer, a northerner and a Jew. Mr. Stein is not a big fan of Mr. Trump. If you are open minded enough and not so full of hate then read his very brief but very well thought out take on what happened Saturday, what happened 150 years ago and his view of President Trump's response.




Ben Stein's Diary

By Ben Stein

August 16, 2017, 12:30 pm

Good for him for taking the hard way out and defending the Constitution.

Now for a few words about the Confederate statues contretemps in various states.

1. I wonder how many of the counter-protesters at the Charlottesville event even had any idea who Robert E. Lee was. He was a major hero of the Mexican-American War. He fought for the Confederacy against the Union, but at the time he did it, it was not illegal. Slavery was — while 100 percent evil — completely protected by law as of 1861. When Lee went to work to defend his native Virginia, he was not violating any law.

In fact, at no time did the Supreme Court rule that secession was unconstitutional. To the contrary, when the Supreme Court moved towards declaring secession lawful, President Lincoln, in violation of every lawful principle, threatened to have Roger Taney, the Chief Justice, arrested and jailed. He had already used federal troops to arrest much of the Maryland state legislature to keep Maryland from seceding. Again, this was an unequivocal violation of the Constitution. And when a court ordered the legislators released under habeas corpus, Lincoln simply ignored the order.

When the Army of Northern Virginia surrendered at Appomattox Court House in the spring of 1865, some officers of Lee’s Army suggested an ongoing guerrilla campaign against the Union. Lee absolutely vetoed the idea, saying that enough blood had been shed and that it was time to bind up the wounds of war.



I wonder how many of the counter-protesters who threw containers of urine and bottles and sticks at the protesters who actually had a license to demonstrate knew anything about Lee the peacemaker or about Lincoln, the lawbreaker. I wonder how many Americans of any age know that the immense majority of Southerners owned no slaves and that they laid down their lives to protect not slavery, but an invasion by Northerners who by the laws of the day simply had no clear legal right to be in North Carolina or Virginia at arms.

2. I watched with astonishment the demolition of the statue of a Confederate soldier in Durham. No police at hand at all to stop the destruction of public property. No vote by any government body to remove the statue. Just a mob of “students” and a complete absence of police or law enforcement at all. This was mob rule. Pure, simple, and terrifying.

Why even bother to have police at all if this is the way the law is protected?

3. I see that, as of late Tuesday night, the media is going berserk with rage about President Trump saying there were lawbreakers on both sides in C-Ville. But clearly, Mr. Trump was right. The pro-statue people were strange looking, but they had a permit and they had the First Amendment. The ones who attacked them with clubs were the instigators.

Yes, of course, I hate anyone who even hints at sympathy for the Nazis. The monstrous evil of those demons is unmatched. But they have the right to speak when not inciting violence and when not committing violence. Otherwise, the Constitution is trash.

For Trump to point out that while the KKK and the Nazis are nauseating, they have free speech rights, is not only correct but actually brave of him. To take on the MSM and say the Constitution is above the networks and the major newspapers makes him a hero. The same day that this story appeared, I got a USPS letter saying — in a childish type written note on a torn sheet of lined paper, “Ben Stein–Economist, Lawyer, Actor, Commentator–Most of all F–king Jew.” I’d rather get those every hour of every day than lose one iota of the First Amendment. I appreciate that Trump, who is tortured every day by a hate-filled free press, still defends free speech. His endurance is exemplary.

As Mr. Trump said, the day in C-Ville was agonizing. But for those who stood up for free speech, it was a glorious day.

For the apparent murderer by car, it will be judgment day.

More to come, but for now, good for Donald Trump for taking the hard way out, and, I suspect, the far harder and more courageous way into a new media civil war. The Constitution or the MSM. Which side are you on, brother? Which side are you on?
It has been pretty amusing as well as disappointin... (show quote)


Ok, Single Black Woman, my little lady, you are on ignorant BROAD!!!

SS

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Aug 16, 2017 22:47:41   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
SBW wrote:
It has been pretty amusing as well as disappointing and a bit scary to watch you lefties crap in your pants the last three days over the Trump impeachable offense of the week. Most but not quite all have been backing up your uninformed opinions and statements with lie after lie or just total complete ignorance. You all think you are experts on the history of this country 150-200 years ago when you really know nothing and from that nothing to attempt to revise history to fit your slanderous and un-American agenda.
What happened in Charlottesville, VA on Saturday is NOT Donald Trump's fault. To say it is his fault is silly. You may say you do not like the way he responded to the incident in Virginia but you would hate what he says no matter what he says. Mr. Trump could have made the heavens open up and have the racists punished then and there but you would have found fault with that. Why? Because you are so full of hate for one man, that you hate him and the people that support much more than you love this country. If you say you don't you are only lying to yourself. You call Trump a racist and a neo-Nazi. Based on what? Really, based on what? Provide proof. You can't.

Again, you might not like the way President Trump responded. You state he did not condemn the racist and the Nazis but he did-twice. For some reason, you choose to continually lie about that. But that is not what you should be worried about. What you should be worried about is the lawlessness and lack of law enforcement on Saturday in Charlottesville, VA on Saturday. What happened on Saturday should scare you to death, that is if you are not so full of hate and smart enough to understand what happened. This is factually what happened on Saturday: A group of white supremacists, neo-Nazis and other racists with a repugnant un-American agenda secured a permit to have a protest march and state their case however repugnant and offensive their beliefs are. By everyone's account, they were marching and protesting peacefully. Then, a leftist group, that DID NOT have a permit to march and demonstrate attacked the racist group with baseball bats, tear gas, and spray cans of fire. The substantial police presence that was there stepped back, withdrew and allowed it to happen. Completely lawless. If you are intellectually honest, no matter how much you disagree with what the racist group stands for, and most all of us do disagree, the group legally protesting was wronged and lawlessness prevailed. Again, if you are intellectually honest and many of you are not, you are ignorant, hateful and petty. But if you are honest this should scare you to death. Mobs pulling down and burning statues outside of legal process should scare you to death. THIS IS EXACTLY what happened in Nazi Germany, Mao's China and Stalin's Russia. And then........they came for the people. Where does it stop? What is enough? When will there be enough? We fought a war supposedly over just slavery and over 600,000 Americans died and it seems that was not enough. What is enough? Where does it stop? As a result of those statues being lawlessly pulled down and destroyed yesterday and today in Durham and Baltimore what was accomplished? What good was gained? Did it stop another black on black murder in Chicago? Were there fewer rapes in Baltimore last night? Did we wake up today to suddenly find that Detroit had been rebuilt and is all pristine and new and prosperous? Did fewer black kids go to bed last night hungry and unafraid? Did the black graduation rate from inter city schools suddenly jump 10 percentage points and will every year after this one? Is that it? Is everything now settled? Are race relations in this country now as good as their they are going to get because of the lawlessness and now everyone is going to get along forever? Did the left accomplish everything they want by setting up that situation in Charlottesville, VA? Is that now enough? Are we now at the place and everyone has had enough that going forward it will now be okay for one group to be offended as long as another one is not? Is that the result? Is that what you want? What do we do next, dig up the Confederate dead? Does that finally solve it? Answer those questions, and others, honestly.

If you are under the illusion of this working, of tearing down statues solving all the problems. If you think that is it and now you have your way, then I hate to tell you the trouble that is coming has not even yet begun. And that......should scare you to death.

The below short article was written and released by Ben Stein earlier today. Mr. Stein, is a lawyer, a constitutional lawyer, a northerner and a Jew. Mr. Stein is not a big fan of Mr. Trump. If you are open minded enough and not so full of hate then read his very brief but very well thought out take on what happened Saturday, what happened 150 years ago and his view of President Trump's response.




Ben Stein's Diary

By Ben Stein

August 16, 2017, 12:30 pm

Good for him for taking the hard way out and defending the Constitution.

Now for a few words about the Confederate statues contretemps in various states.

1. I wonder how many of the counter-protesters at the Charlottesville event even had any idea who Robert E. Lee was. He was a major hero of the Mexican-American War. He fought for the Confederacy against the Union, but at the time he did it, it was not illegal. Slavery was — while 100 percent evil — completely protected by law as of 1861. When Lee went to work to defend his native Virginia, he was not violating any law.

In fact, at no time did the Supreme Court rule that secession was unconstitutional. To the contrary, when the Supreme Court moved towards declaring secession lawful, President Lincoln, in violation of every lawful principle, threatened to have Roger Taney, the Chief Justice, arrested and jailed. He had already used federal troops to arrest much of the Maryland state legislature to keep Maryland from seceding. Again, this was an unequivocal violation of the Constitution. And when a court ordered the legislators released under habeas corpus, Lincoln simply ignored the order.

When the Army of Northern Virginia surrendered at Appomattox Court House in the spring of 1865, some officers of Lee’s Army suggested an ongoing guerrilla campaign against the Union. Lee absolutely vetoed the idea, saying that enough blood had been shed and that it was time to bind up the wounds of war.



I wonder how many of the counter-protesters who threw containers of urine and bottles and sticks at the protesters who actually had a license to demonstrate knew anything about Lee the peacemaker or about Lincoln, the lawbreaker. I wonder how many Americans of any age know that the immense majority of Southerners owned no slaves and that they laid down their lives to protect not slavery, but an invasion by Northerners who by the laws of the day simply had no clear legal right to be in North Carolina or Virginia at arms.

2. I watched with astonishment the demolition of the statue of a Confederate soldier in Durham. No police at hand at all to stop the destruction of public property. No vote by any government body to remove the statue. Just a mob of “students” and a complete absence of police or law enforcement at all. This was mob rule. Pure, simple, and terrifying.

Why even bother to have police at all if this is the way the law is protected?

3. I see that, as of late Tuesday night, the media is going berserk with rage about President Trump saying there were lawbreakers on both sides in C-Ville. But clearly, Mr. Trump was right. The pro-statue people were strange looking, but they had a permit and they had the First Amendment. The ones who attacked them with clubs were the instigators.

Yes, of course, I hate anyone who even hints at sympathy for the Nazis. The monstrous evil of those demons is unmatched. But they have the right to speak when not inciting violence and when not committing violence. Otherwise, the Constitution is trash.

For Trump to point out that while the KKK and the Nazis are nauseating, they have free speech rights, is not only correct but actually brave of him. To take on the MSM and say the Constitution is above the networks and the major newspapers makes him a hero. The same day that this story appeared, I got a USPS letter saying — in a childish type written note on a torn sheet of lined paper, “Ben Stein–Economist, Lawyer, Actor, Commentator–Most of all F–king Jew.” I’d rather get those every hour of every day than lose one iota of the First Amendment. I appreciate that Trump, who is tortured every day by a hate-filled free press, still defends free speech. His endurance is exemplary.

As Mr. Trump said, the day in C-Ville was agonizing. But for those who stood up for free speech, it was a glorious day.

For the apparent murderer by car, it will be judgment day.

More to come, but for now, good for Donald Trump for taking the hard way out, and, I suspect, the far harder and more courageous way into a new media civil war. The Constitution or the MSM. Which side are you on, brother? Which side are you on?
It has been pretty amusing as well as disappointin... (show quote)


I guess we'll never know what the left would do if Trump were sane because it isn't going to happen.

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Aug 16, 2017 22:52:28   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
SBW wrote:
It has been pretty amusing as well as disappointing and a bit scary to watch you lefties crap in your pants the last three days over the Trump impeachable offense of the week. Most but not quite all have been backing up your uninformed opinions and statements with lie after lie or just total complete ignorance. You all think you are experts on the history of this country 150-200 years ago when you really know nothing and from that nothing to attempt to revise history to fit your slanderous and un-American agenda.
What happened in Charlottesville, VA on Saturday is NOT Donald Trump's fault. To say it is his fault is silly. You may say you do not like the way he responded to the incident in Virginia but you would hate what he says no matter what he says. Mr. Trump could have made the heavens open up and have the racists punished then and there but you would have found fault with that. Why? Because you are so full of hate for one man, that you hate him and the people that support much more than you love this country. If you say you don't you are only lying to yourself. You call Trump a racist and a neo-Nazi. Based on what? Really, based on what? Provide proof. You can't.

Again, you might not like the way President Trump responded. You state he did not condemn the racist and the Nazis but he did-twice. For some reason, you choose to continually lie about that. But that is not what you should be worried about. What you should be worried about is the lawlessness and lack of law enforcement on Saturday in Charlottesville, VA on Saturday. What happened on Saturday should scare you to death, that is if you are not so full of hate and smart enough to understand what happened. This is factually what happened on Saturday: A group of white supremacists, neo-Nazis and other racists with a repugnant un-American agenda secured a permit to have a protest march and state their case however repugnant and offensive their beliefs are. By everyone's account, they were marching and protesting peacefully. Then, a leftist group, that DID NOT have a permit to march and demonstrate attacked the racist group with baseball bats, tear gas, and spray cans of fire. The substantial police presence that was there stepped back, withdrew and allowed it to happen. Completely lawless. If you are intellectually honest, no matter how much you disagree with what the racist group stands for, and most all of us do disagree, the group legally protesting was wronged and lawlessness prevailed. Again, if you are intellectually honest and many of you are not, you are ignorant, hateful and petty. But if you are honest this should scare you to death. Mobs pulling down and burning statues outside of legal process should scare you to death. THIS IS EXACTLY what happened in Nazi Germany, Mao's China and Stalin's Russia. And then........they came for the people. Where does it stop? What is enough? When will there be enough? We fought a war supposedly over just slavery and over 600,000 Americans died and it seems that was not enough. What is enough? Where does it stop? As a result of those statues being lawlessly pulled down and destroyed yesterday and today in Durham and Baltimore what was accomplished? What good was gained? Did it stop another black on black murder in Chicago? Were there fewer rapes in Baltimore last night? Did we wake up today to suddenly find that Detroit had been rebuilt and is all pristine and new and prosperous? Did fewer black kids go to bed last night hungry and unafraid? Did the black graduation rate from inter city schools suddenly jump 10 percentage points and will every year after this one? Is that it? Is everything now settled? Are race relations in this country now as good as their they are going to get because of the lawlessness and now everyone is going to get along forever? Did the left accomplish everything they want by setting up that situation in Charlottesville, VA? Is that now enough? Are we now at the place and everyone has had enough that going forward it will now be okay for one group to be offended as long as another one is not? Is that the result? Is that what you want? What do we do next, dig up the Confederate dead? Does that finally solve it? Answer those questions, and others, honestly.

If you are under the illusion of this working, of tearing down statues solving all the problems. If you think that is it and now you have your way, then I hate to tell you the trouble that is coming has not even yet begun. And that......should scare you to death.

The below short article was written and released by Ben Stein earlier today. Mr. Stein, is a lawyer, a constitutional lawyer, a northerner and a Jew. Mr. Stein is not a big fan of Mr. Trump. If you are open minded enough and not so full of hate then read his very brief but very well thought out take on what happened Saturday, what happened 150 years ago and his view of President Trump's response.




Ben Stein's Diary

By Ben Stein

August 16, 2017, 12:30 pm

Good for him for taking the hard way out and defending the Constitution.

Now for a few words about the Confederate statues contretemps in various states.

1. I wonder how many of the counter-protesters at the Charlottesville event even had any idea who Robert E. Lee was. He was a major hero of the Mexican-American War. He fought for the Confederacy against the Union, but at the time he did it, it was not illegal. Slavery was — while 100 percent evil — completely protected by law as of 1861. When Lee went to work to defend his native Virginia, he was not violating any law.

In fact, at no time did the Supreme Court rule that secession was unconstitutional. To the contrary, when the Supreme Court moved towards declaring secession lawful, President Lincoln, in violation of every lawful principle, threatened to have Roger Taney, the Chief Justice, arrested and jailed. He had already used federal troops to arrest much of the Maryland state legislature to keep Maryland from seceding. Again, this was an unequivocal violation of the Constitution. And when a court ordered the legislators released under habeas corpus, Lincoln simply ignored the order.

When the Army of Northern Virginia surrendered at Appomattox Court House in the spring of 1865, some officers of Lee’s Army suggested an ongoing guerrilla campaign against the Union. Lee absolutely vetoed the idea, saying that enough blood had been shed and that it was time to bind up the wounds of war.



I wonder how many of the counter-protesters who threw containers of urine and bottles and sticks at the protesters who actually had a license to demonstrate knew anything about Lee the peacemaker or about Lincoln, the lawbreaker. I wonder how many Americans of any age know that the immense majority of Southerners owned no slaves and that they laid down their lives to protect not slavery, but an invasion by Northerners who by the laws of the day simply had no clear legal right to be in North Carolina or Virginia at arms.

2. I watched with astonishment the demolition of the statue of a Confederate soldier in Durham. No police at hand at all to stop the destruction of public property. No vote by any government body to remove the statue. Just a mob of “students” and a complete absence of police or law enforcement at all. This was mob rule. Pure, simple, and terrifying.

Why even bother to have police at all if this is the way the law is protected?

3. I see that, as of late Tuesday night, the media is going berserk with rage about President Trump saying there were lawbreakers on both sides in C-Ville. But clearly, Mr. Trump was right. The pro-statue people were strange looking, but they had a permit and they had the First Amendment. The ones who attacked them with clubs were the instigators.

Yes, of course, I hate anyone who even hints at sympathy for the Nazis. The monstrous evil of those demons is unmatched. But they have the right to speak when not inciting violence and when not committing violence. Otherwise, the Constitution is trash.

For Trump to point out that while the KKK and the Nazis are nauseating, they have free speech rights, is not only correct but actually brave of him. To take on the MSM and say the Constitution is above the networks and the major newspapers makes him a hero. The same day that this story appeared, I got a USPS letter saying — in a childish type written note on a torn sheet of lined paper, “Ben Stein–Economist, Lawyer, Actor, Commentator–Most of all F–king Jew.” I’d rather get those every hour of every day than lose one iota of the First Amendment. I appreciate that Trump, who is tortured every day by a hate-filled free press, still defends free speech. His endurance is exemplary.

As Mr. Trump said, the day in C-Ville was agonizing. But for those who stood up for free speech, it was a glorious day.

For the apparent murderer by car, it will be judgment day.

More to come, but for now, good for Donald Trump for taking the hard way out, and, I suspect, the far harder and more courageous way into a new media civil war. The Constitution or the MSM. Which side are you on, brother? Which side are you on?
It has been pretty amusing as well as disappointin... (show quote)


Ben might be right about them having a right to assemble if they don't incite violence, but then they wouldn't be Nazis would they.

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Aug 16, 2017 22:58:25   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
user47602 wrote:
ok, here's one thing

2. I watched with astonishment the demolition of the statue of a Confederate soldier in Durham. No police at hand at all to stop the destruction of public property. No vote by any government body to remove the statue. Just a mob of “students” and a complete absence of police or law enforcement at all. This was mob rule. Pure, simple, and terrifying.

to me this is vandalism...a crime, not violent, against people anyway, but against public property. The people on the video should be identified and prosecuted. "Mob" is also a fair characterization; I would not have walked into that crowd with a Trump hat on.

But REALLY NOW! How would I actually go about proving that you, or rather the author (whom you have quoted an are in apparent agreement with)...was actually both "astonished" and "terrified".

Now I can understand astonished. Some people astonish easily, like if your first name is the same as theirs... no way man! But terrified? did the author in fact have a trump hat on? Did he wory they will get his name from the column and find out where he lives are terrorizes him... and you. Just lock you doors at night, snowflake.

please... this guy is a very hyperbolic writer with so much slant he's about to fall over.
ok, here's one thing br br i 2. I watched with a... (show quote)


Well, the guy was a speech writer for Nixon. If Ben wanted to really be afraid he should have shown up at Charlottesville wearing his yamaka.

https://hanlonsrazor.wordpress.com/2008/04/17/ben-stein-is-a-complete-and-utter-douchebag/

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Aug 17, 2017 01:44:36   #
ken hubert Loc: Missouri
 
thom w wrote:
Ben might be right about them having a right to assemble if they don't incite violence, but then they wouldn't be Nazis would they.


Hey stupid, THEY had a permit.
Your buddies DIDN'T! Or is that too hard for your simple mind to comprehend?

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Aug 17, 2017 02:13:26   #
user47602 Loc: ip 304.0.0.33.32
 
ken hubert wrote:
Hey stupid, THEY had a permit.
Your buddies DIDN'T! Or is that too hard for your simple mind to comprehend?
these violent anti-fascists didn't bother to get a permit either...


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Aug 17, 2017 02:53:01   #
SharpShooter Loc: NorCal
 
ken hubert wrote:
Hey stupid, THEY had a permit.
Your buddies DIDN'T! Or is that too hard for your simple mind to comprehend?


Ok stupid bumpkin, if you organize a demonstration/protest, you need a permit!
If you come to watch...., not so much!!!
SS

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Aug 17, 2017 07:01:42   #
SBW
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Ok stupid bumpkin, if you organize a demonstration/protest, you need a permit!
If you come to watch...., not so much!!!
SS


Just the point imbecile. Which, of course, you are way too stupid to understand. No surprise there.

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Aug 17, 2017 07:04:13   #
SBW
 
thom w wrote:
Ben might be right about them having a right to assemble if they don't incite violence, but then they wouldn't be Nazis would they.


So genius, why don't you answer some of the questions? When those statues were vandalized and toppled did that save a life in Chicago? Did that buy a kid below the poverty line his lunch? After the Memorial came down, was everyone every where safer? Tell us about that you mindless blob.

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