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Aug 16, 2017 12:28:09   #
ole sarg Loc: south florida
 
Why would any nation put up statues of losers and traitors!

You have twisted the reasons for removal to meet your agenda!

No one here is a fool except you!



boberic wrote:
Many in the south want the removal of many statues of confederate leaders. What exactly are they afraid of? Are they afraid of being offended? Why? Oh. you poor little baby, that horrible statue makes you remember that something bad happened? I have an idea that might make them feel better. Lets erase all unpleasant historical events. No mention of WW2-Nazis were involved. No attack on Pearl Harbor (you might offend the Japanese). No mention of 9-11 it's islamophobic. The only historical events that will be remembered will be pleasant events. Come to think about it--let's suspend the teaching of history, nobody needs to know about our evil past. I propose a slogan--LET'S FORGET EVERYTHING. Maybe that's too wordy how about NEVER REMEMBER. That's better.
Many in the south want the removal of many statues... (show quote)

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Aug 16, 2017 12:30:44   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
Twardlow wrote:
Surely you can't be sincere.

Traitors ALWAYS act on what they believe in. Benedict Arnold did. Julius and Ethey Rosenberg acted upon what they believed in.

Treason is defined by the act, acting against the best interests of your nation.

Donald Trump extolling Vladimir Putin while acting against the interests of the USA could amount to Treason.

Probably did.

Treason is an act, and a Traitor is defined by doing that act, not by being accused, not by performing sincerity, but by acting against his own country.

Robert E. Lee was a traitor. Benedict Arnold was a traitor. Selling national secrets to Russia defines a traitor. A US citizen making war against the US defines a traitor.

Sincerity be damned, The Act Makes The Treason.
Surely you can't be sincere. br br Traitors ALWAY... (show quote)


You have a warped definition of what a traitor is.

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Aug 16, 2017 12:32:56   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
dragonfist wrote:
Perhaps not but if they held no rancor toward one another who are we to do so if they wanted to honor their own? As for the statues being erected later so were most that were erected honoring Union soldiers. The one in my hometown wasn't erected until the early 1900's. Remember after the war ended the southern economy was devastated. When money is tight food and shelter come first, statues are a
luxury. Also the picture I saw was of old men, not right after the dispute but at a reunuion of veterans at Gettysburg.
Perhaps not but if they held no rancor toward one ... (show quote)


Deciding to no longer celebrate is not the same as dishonoring. Are you of the opinion that a municipality doesn't have a right to decide who to display statues of?

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Aug 16, 2017 12:34:43   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
BigBear wrote:
When did your subjects become traitors ??
They were acting on what they believed in. Based on that scenario, liberals are traitors for acting on what they believe even though it isn't right.


One can easily be a traitor and believe what they are doing is right at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive.

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Aug 16, 2017 12:37:11   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
dragonfist wrote:
Perhaps not but if they held no rancor toward one another who are we to do so if they wanted to honor their own? As for the statues being erected later so were most that were erected honoring Union soldiers. The one in my hometown wasn't erected until the early 1900's. Remember after the war ended the southern economy was devastated. When money is tight food and shelter come first, statues are a
luxury. Also the picture I saw was of old men, not right after the dispute but at a reunuion of veterans at Gettysburg.
Perhaps not but if they held no rancor toward one ... (show quote)


I've seen pictures of American veterans and Vietnamese veterans shaking hands. I'm not aware of any statues in this country honoring Ho.

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Aug 16, 2017 12:38:43   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Every country has a war memorial to both honor those that fought and to remind of the horrors of war.
Every community is individually in charge of what is best for that community. This is handled through the elected officials carrying out the will of their constituants.
People like you are completely ignorant of how the democratic process works.
If you are opposed to the removal of any stautues in any given city, then simply fly to that city and tell the council or planners or supervisors during the meeting in which that topic is agendized and tell tem how you feel as an outsider that doesn't live their community.
Or, you could sit in your sewer like the sewer dog that you are and bark, bark bark on forums like this and all that will happen, is a lot of sewer dog barking will happen but will not make even one squat of an iota of a differeance in the community that you are whining, crying and acting like a petulant child about!!!
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Every country has a war memorial to both honor tho... (show quote)

So you are saying that a mob of people tearing down and damaging a statue in a public place is democratic process?
I thought so.

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Aug 16, 2017 12:45:01   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
phcaan wrote:
So you are saying that a mob of people tearing down and damaging a statue in a public place is democratic process?
I thought so.


I know you aren't going to accept this but most of the noise is about the Lee statue. It was decided that it should be removed by democratic process. If statues are being removed by vigilantes it is up to the community where it takes place to decide if a crime took place and to decide what to do about it.

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Aug 16, 2017 12:47:07   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
thom w wrote:
I know you aren't going to accept this but most of the noise is about the Lee statue. It was decided that it should be removed by democratic process. If statues are being removed by vigilantes it is up to the community where it takes place to decide if a crime took place and to decide what to do about it.

No argument there.

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Aug 16, 2017 12:59:41   #
amyinsparta Loc: White county, TN
 
You aren't Black in the South, I assume. I am a southerner, born and bred. I can say that those who are honored by these statues fought a war so that they might keep black people in chains, literally and figuratively. The vile against black people and Mexicans that I have listened to over the years is unbelievable. If people want to hate, that's their right. For them to act upon that hate IS NOT A RIGHT. We fought a four year war for the purpose of keeping a people SLAVES. That should be celebrated with statues? Its never a good thing to romantisize a despicable action.

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Aug 16, 2017 13:02:55   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
thom w wrote:
One can easily be a traitor and believe what they are doing is right at the same time. They are not mutually exclusive.


Like I said, you have a very warped definition of what a traitor is.

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Aug 16, 2017 13:06:37   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
BigBear wrote:
Like I said, you have a very warped definition of what a traitor is.

It's thom,let it slide, just consider the source.

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Aug 16, 2017 13:11:40   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
amyinsparta wrote:
You aren't Black in the South, I assume. I am a southerner, born and bred. I can say that those who are honored by these statues fought a war so that they might keep black people in chains, literally and figuratively. The vile against black people and Mexicans that I have listened to over the years is unbelievable. If people want to hate, that's their right. For them to act upon that hate IS NOT A RIGHT. We fought a four year war for the purpose of keeping a people SLAVES. That should be celebrated with statues? Its never a good thing to romantisize a despicable action.
You aren't Black in the South, I assume. I am a s... (show quote)


Slavery was just a small piece of what the war was about.
The statues are there only as a reminder of what happened in our history. As far as the characters being honored, that's an individual matter.
As far as the liberals who are against them being left for what they are, they all have one mind between them. Question is: Who actually controls it ??

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Aug 16, 2017 13:39:20   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
BigBear wrote:
Like I said, you have a very warped definition of what a traitor is.


You have said that at least twice now but I haven't seen your definition.

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Aug 16, 2017 13:40:28   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
BigBear wrote:
Slavery was just a small piece of what the war was about.
The statues are there only as a reminder of what happened in our history. As far as the characters being honored, that's an individual matter.
As far as the liberals who are against them being left for what they are, they all have one mind between them. Question is: Who actually controls it ??


From what I've read the statues were erected to intimidate.

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Aug 16, 2017 13:43:06   #
phcaan Loc: Willow Springs, MO
 
thom w wrote:
From what I've read the statues were erected to intimidate.

I don't know what you were reading, but it was horse shit.

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