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Aug 13, 2017 09:18:41   #
jcboy3
 
elliott937 wrote:
I'm prepared to spend most of the day, August 21, on the campus of a private school, way out in the fields. It'll be the perfect place, and solid in the Totality Zone. Why am I telling you this?

I thought I should do some practice right here in my own side yard. With my Canon on a great tripod, and with the 77mm Thousand Oaks eclipse filter in front of the 800mm worth of lens. I found the sun, a small orange ball, on my first try this morning. I even photographed it. So I felt I should practice some more. I went out a second time, around 1:15PM, that will be our time slot for totality a week from Monday. Under a bright sun, I tried for almost an hour and I absolutely could not find the sun. I so wanted to look up the "line of the lens", which, of course, I cannot do.

So I just continued to try to find the sun. Remember the Thousand Oaks filter drops the light just about 100,000 times, leaving me almost nothing left.

Sorry, I know I probably sound like I'm complaining. I'll be practicing tomorrow and the next day, until I can acquire a "trick" in finding something when looking at a very Very black field. Soooo, my friends, has anyone acquired any tricks on finding the sun through the eclipse filter at the end of your camera lens? Oh, in case you were wondering how strong should you lens be, my 800mm of lens acquired a very small image, that is, when I lucked out on the first attempt and actually found the sun.

Any hints, anyone has, send them our way. And thanks in advance.
I'm prepared to spend most of the day, August 21, ... (show quote)


I use a Sol-Searcher by Tele Vue; I have it mounted in an adapter on the camera hot shoe. I line it up starting with a wide angle lens that can easily find the sun, then mount the telephoto lens and fine-tune alignment.

If your lens is a zoom, zoom out and find the sun at wide angle. You can get the lens pointed toward the sun by looking at the shadow of the lens on the ground; might help if you use a sheet of cardboard on the ground tilted up to be perpendicular to the sun.

If your lens doesn't zoom out enough, then use a wider lens to get aligned. This will typically mean mounting the camera rather than the lens, so attach a QR plate to the camera that works and align it with the QR plate on the lens.

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Aug 13, 2017 09:28:38   #
astroqb33
 
I use a Tel-Vue Sol-sercher attached to my lens. Spot on all the time.

astroqb33@gmail.com

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Aug 13, 2017 09:39:04   #
bcplimpton Loc: Southern New Jersey
 
genesampson wrote:
Interesting question. The solar filter i use allows sufficient light to find the sun. Might try this. Get a cheap pair of solar glasses (B&H/Amazon). Use these with the camera filter off of the lens. Locate the image through your viewfinder, then attach the solar lens. Maybe???


Don't try this. The concentrated/magnified light ray coming through the lens will burn right through the cheap solar glasses in a matter of a few seconds and then into your retina. There is a video on YouTube showing how quickly this can happen.

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Aug 13, 2017 09:47:05   #
Retired fat guy with a camera Loc: Colorado
 
Get a cheap welding hood. With at the least a #10 lens. You can look up with it on.

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Aug 13, 2017 10:37:09   #
chuckla Loc: Kennesaw, GA USA
 
genesampson wrote:
Interesting question. The solar filter i use allows sufficient light to find the sun. Might try this. Get a cheap pair of solar glasses (B&H/Amazon). Use these with the camera filter off of the lens. Locate the image through your viewfinder, then attach the solar lens. Maybe???

No! The image is so concentrated by the time it reaches the glasses you're wearing that it will burn right through them, and through your eye. Somebody here posted a YT video the other day that I can't find, but that demonstrated this. Scary!

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Aug 13, 2017 11:14:08   #
hpucker99 Loc: Anchorage, Alaska
 
chuckla wrote:
No! The image is so concentrated by the time it reaches the glasses you're wearing that it will burn right through them, and through your eye. Somebody here posted a YT video the other day that I can't find, but that demonstrated this. Scary!


Here is the link to that video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_nnEDwv19k

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Aug 13, 2017 11:39:48   #
cthahn
 
You are in for problems. You ask how strong should you lens be? What do you mean? You do not say what the lens, or the camera. Are you using a tripod? Hard to help when you really have not told us anything.

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Aug 13, 2017 12:19:21   #
turp77 Loc: Connecticut, Plainfield
 
dck22 wrote:
This might be a workable idea for DSLR. DO NOT try it with mirrorless! Your eyes will be safe, but your sensor may well be irreparably damaged.


You should never do that. There is a YouTube video showing how a non filter lens burned a hole in an approved glasses. Just to demonstrate how dangerous it is. It only took seconds to burn the holes.

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Aug 13, 2017 12:30:58   #
aellman Loc: Boston MA
 
SharpShooter wrote:
Sorry, no tricks.
Why don't you point it at a small distant object without the filter on it and then fix, say a paperclip bent into a L on both front and rear of lens so as to be in line with the sight. With dark sunglasses shouldn't be too hard to point at the sun.
Kinda like a red dot scope. Good luck!
SS


What a great idea. I love simple analog solutions like that. >Alan

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Aug 13, 2017 12:48:50   #
wdross Loc: Castle Rock, Colorado
 
elliott937 wrote:
I'm prepared to spend most of the day, August 21, on the campus of a private school, way out in the fields. It'll be the perfect place, and solid in the Totality Zone. Why am I telling you this?

I thought I should do some practice right here in my own side yard. With my Canon on a great tripod, and with the 77mm Thousand Oaks eclipse filter in front of the 800mm worth of lens. I found the sun, a small orange ball, on my first try this morning. I even photographed it. So I felt I should practice some more. I went out a second time, around 1:15PM, that will be our time slot for totality a week from Monday. Under a bright sun, I tried for almost an hour and I absolutely could not find the sun. I so wanted to look up the "line of the lens", which, of course, I cannot do.

So I just continued to try to find the sun. Remember the Thousand Oaks filter drops the light just about 100,000 times, leaving me almost nothing left.

Sorry, I know I probably sound like I'm complaining. I'll be practicing tomorrow and the next day, until I can acquire a "trick" in finding something when looking at a very Very black field. Soooo, my friends, has anyone acquired any tricks on finding the sun through the eclipse filter at the end of your camera lens? Oh, in case you were wondering how strong should you lens be, my 800mm of lens acquired a very small image, that is, when I lucked out on the first attempt and actually found the sun.

Any hints, anyone has, send them our way. And thanks in advance.
I'm prepared to spend most of the day, August 21, ... (show quote)


Buy yourself a piece of #14 welders glass. Do not buy anything less than #14. Anything less will be too bright and will not offer the proper eye protection. Then you can use the welders glass to block the harmful sunlight while allowing you to see below the edge of the glass to see where your camera is pointed.

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Aug 13, 2017 12:48:56   #
Robert R Loc: Indianapolis and Naples
 
I have been having the same situation. Using a Canon 100-400 with 1.4 extender on Canon 70D body, I also have difficulty finding the sun. It works better for me to go down to 100 on the zoom, makes it easier to find. I am using the fold out screen on Canon 70D, in live view. I have been making a list of everything I think I will need, like extra batteries, cable release, plenty of memory, etc. I am also including an umbrella. The eclipse for start to finish will take several hours, and between shots I can hold umbrella over camera to keep from overheating. That may not be necessary.

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Aug 13, 2017 13:08:00   #
ggttc Loc: TN
 
elliott937 wrote:
Seriously? You found success with auto focus? (I'm fine with af and mf)

But tell me about "live view". I'm using a Canon 5DII. Are you using one of those cameras where the rear LCD folds out?


Put on a pair of eclipse glasses and sight along the lens barrel.

We have been practicing (D7100 & D810) and have had great success with auto focus in live view.

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Aug 13, 2017 13:08:42   #
Dennis in Texas Loc: Katy, Texas
 
I've worked with the same problem and like you, found that it's difficult to find the sun in the view finder especially if the lens is zoomed out to it's maximum. Like one writer said, it's very helpful to start out in the shortest zoom length so the sun will be as small as possible. But the real problem for me has been getting camera/lens alignment in the first place. For the initial alignment, I get behind the camera and aim it just a little higher than the position of the sun. In other words, if I were to look over the top of camera, I would see the sun over the top of the view finder. I accomplish this using solar viewers to protect my eyes. Then it's usually just a matter of making small vertical and/or horizontal re-positions while looking in the view finder. I haven't had much luck with using live view in this process.

The other problem I've had is getting under the camera just to look into the view finder. I'm not much of a contortionist and being able to sight into the view finder is particularly difficult when the sun is located at around 75 to 80 degrees above the horizon or practically straight up in the sky. I've found I either have to extend the tripod as high as it will go or get on my knees and lower the camera's view finder to eye level. The other solution is to use a right angle view finder which allows you to stand upright and is far more comfortable. Unfortunately, these are somewhat expensive ($200US) and it would a challenge to find one this late in the game.

Good Shooting on Eclipse Day!



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Aug 13, 2017 13:12:13   #
ggttc Loc: TN
 
Dennis in Texas wrote:
I've worked with the same problem and like you, found that it's difficult to find the sun in the view finder especially if the lens is zoomed out to it's maximum. Like one writer said, it's very helpful to start out in the shortest zoom length so the sun will be as small as possible. But the real problem for me has been getting camera/lens alignment in the first place. For the initial alignment, I get behind the camera and aim it just a little higher than the position of the sun. In other words, if I were to look over the top of camera, I would see the sun over the top of the view finder. I accomplish this using solar viewers to protect my eyes. Then it's usually just a matter of making small vertical and/or horizontal re-positions while looking in the view finder. I haven't had much luck with using live view in this process.

The other problem I've had is getting under the camera just to look into the view finder. I'm not much of a contortionist and being able to sight into the view finder is particularly difficult when the sun is located at around 75 to 80 degrees above the horizon or practically straight up in the sky. I've found I either have to extend the tripod as high as it will go or get on my knees and lower the camera's view finder to eye level. The other solution is to use a right angle view finder which allows you to stand upright and is far more comfortable. Unfortunately, these are somewhat expensive ($200US) and it would a challenge to find one this late in the game.

Good Shooting on Eclipse Day!
I've worked with the same problem and like you, fo... (show quote)


Put a small foot stool under the tripod and have a seat. Works great.

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Aug 13, 2017 13:13:57   #
rmalarz Loc: Tempe, Arizona
 
Simple, purchase and equitorial mount for your camera. Once placed correctly, look up the RA and Declination for the sun at that time. Set the mount and you should be dead on. However, the sun will move through the field of view of an 800mm lens fairly quickly. So, you might want to get a clock drive for that mount, power supply to run it, and then hope there is no overcast.
--Bob
elliott937 wrote:
I'm prepared to spend most of the day, August 21, on the campus of a private school, way out in the fields. It'll be the perfect place, and solid in the Totality Zone. Why am I telling you this?

I thought I should do some practice right here in my own side yard. With my Canon on a great tripod, and with the 77mm Thousand Oaks eclipse filter in front of the 800mm worth of lens. I found the sun, a small orange ball, on my first try this morning. I even photographed it. So I felt I should practice some more. I went out a second time, around 1:15PM, that will be our time slot for totality a week from Monday. Under a bright sun, I tried for almost an hour and I absolutely could not find the sun. I so wanted to look up the "line of the lens", which, of course, I cannot do.

So I just continued to try to find the sun. Remember the Thousand Oaks filter drops the light just about 100,000 times, leaving me almost nothing left.

Sorry, I know I probably sound like I'm complaining. I'll be practicing tomorrow and the next day, until I can acquire a "trick" in finding something when looking at a very Very black field. Soooo, my friends, has anyone acquired any tricks on finding the sun through the eclipse filter at the end of your camera lens? Oh, in case you were wondering how strong should you lens be, my 800mm of lens acquired a very small image, that is, when I lucked out on the first attempt and actually found the sun.

Any hints, anyone has, send them our way. And thanks in advance.
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