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Jul 26, 2017 07:03:33   #
richosob Loc: Lambertville, MI
 
soba1 wrote:
I thought this was an interesting article.
Notice I said vets but let's see how this plays out

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/the-danger-of-turning-the-us-military-into-a-political-actor/534624/


We have the best military in the world, and we trust them to safeguard our freedoms and so much more. They are some of the best men and women this country can produce and I'm very proud of them. I think the author doesn't understand who these men and women are and their allegiance to the greatest country this planet has ever seen.

Rich

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Jul 26, 2017 08:59:26   #
wilpharm Loc: Oklahoma
 
thom w wrote:
You believe that a soldiers loyalty should be to the president? What loyalty oath (there may be one now) to the president have you ever seen.


Last I heard, the Pres is Commander-in-Chief...like it or not..

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Jul 26, 2017 09:00:40   #
Bazbo Loc: Lisboa, Portugal
 
phcaan wrote:
Big talk from a little commie like yourself.


Got any more funny stories about American officers being murdered in the field, worm? While you proudly display your Obama-Treason avatar?

You are not even a maggot. You are a maggot shit stain--utterly beneath contempt.

I will always remind you of what you think is oh-so-clever. Every breath you take is stealing oxygen from someone more deserving than you.

A word of advice (although you are far too stupid to take it): Keep bullshit like your little clever remark on anonymous fart forums like this. If you were to make this remark among any of my friends I can guran-f**ntee you that you would experience some immediate corrective action. And it won't be in the form notes on improving your comedy.

Cheers, dung beetle.

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Jul 26, 2017 09:11:17   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
soba1 wrote:
I thought this was an interesting article.
Notice I said vets but let's see how this plays out

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/the-danger-of-turning-the-us-military-into-a-political-actor/534624/


Career military personnel, usually a twenty year stint, spans several administrations. I am more worried about the emasculation of the military as under Obama.

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Jul 26, 2017 09:11:46   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
soba1 wrote:
I thought this was an interesting article.
Notice I said vets but let's see how this plays out

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/the-danger-of-turning-the-us-military-into-a-political-actor/534624/


Soba,

The author seems to have forgotten about the coup attempt during the Lincoln assasination!

Hell, the entire civil war, even!

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Jul 26, 2017 09:12:47   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Wrangler wrote:
I can't speak for all military branches, bases, or units but in all units to which I was attached there was politics. I'm sure there is no surprise that anytime two or more people get together, politics happens.

If you are asking if military personnel should get involved in politics, I would say yes. When one joins the service, he or she does not stop being a citizen. Citizens cause politics. It is the duty of every citizen to take a role in politics, at least by voting.

If the government were considering doing away with social security benefits, every eligible person has a dog in the hunt and should get involved. I don't see how the military is any different.

I cannot speak for all wars, police actions, conflicts or any other PC term you chose, but I guarantee that congress had its political hands in the rules of war and the movement of troops in Vietnam. Most of the directives were detrimental to the military effort. In other words they wanted to run the "conflict" and were dumber than a box of hammers when it came to war.

In short, I think that the military has not only the right but also the duty to ask for budget increases from congress. There are "people" in the military not aliens from outer space. These "people" have the same rights as all people.
I can't speak for all military branches, bases, or... (show quote)



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Jul 26, 2017 09:13:40   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
soba1 wrote:
I thought this was an interesting article.
Notice I said vets but let's see how this plays out

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/07/the-danger-of-turning-the-us-military-into-a-political-actor/534624/


I guess we could take away their right to vote, heh?

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Jul 26, 2017 09:15:50   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
sb wrote:
My brother recently finished a 30-year career in the Army. Watching him, meeting and talking with his colleagues, I have been impressed with the professionalism I have seen. They do not like it when they are used as political pawns. They really hate it when leadership is by morons (Rumsfeld...). Our military needs to maintain the fine line of being run by civilians and yet not being used for political benefit.



Four family members, all special forces, while Rumsy was in charge and they loved the direction he was going to go until life got in the way.

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Jul 26, 2017 09:17:10   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Bazbo wrote:
What else is there to know? You are making a flippant lazy joke about alleged crimes against American officers.

You are an asshole. And GFY, pussy.


Like it or not t happened.

I have to laugh at all of your past comments calling me on the carpet about civility! Once again, you have proven to be the biggest hypocrite on this forum, hands down.

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Jul 26, 2017 09:18:31   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
Bazbo wrote:
Got any more funny stories about American officers being murdered in the field, worm? While you proudly display your Obama-Treason avatar?

You are not even a maggot. You are a maggot shit stain--utterly beneath contempt.

I will always remind you of what you think is oh-so-clever. Every breath you take is stealing oxygen from someone more deserving than you.

A word of advice (although you are far too stupid to take it): Keep bullshit like your little clever remark on anonymous fart forums like this. If you were to make this remark among any of my friends I can guran-f**ntee you that you would experience some immediate corrective action. And it won't be in the form notes on improving your comedy.

Cheers, dung beetle.
Got any more funny stories about American officers... (show quote)


Man! That's some serious hate there bunky.

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Jul 26, 2017 09:20:06   #
Cykdelic Loc: Now outside of Chiraq & Santa Fe, NM
 
wilpharm wrote:
Last I heard, the Pres is Commander-in-Chief...like it or not..



Do NOT confuse him (thom) with reality and facts! It's like trying to teach a pig to sing!

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Jul 26, 2017 09:21:48   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
idaholover wrote:
Career military personnel, usually a twenty year stint, spans several administrations. I am more worried about the emasculation of the military as under Obama.


Trump has given the control back to the Joint Chiefs with confidence that they will do what is necessary to renew our defenses.
No more wuss in chief.

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Jul 26, 2017 09:27:41   #
idaholover Loc: Nampa ID
 
BigBear wrote:
Trump has given the control back to the Joint Chiefs with confidence that they will do what is necessary to renew our defenses.
No more wuss in chief.



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Jul 26, 2017 10:28:20   #
thom w Loc: San Jose, CA
 
wilpharm wrote:
Last I heard, the Pres is Commander-in-Chief...like it or not..


You are obviously confused. A soldiers loyalty is to the constitution. That has nothing to do with the President being commander in chief. If the military's loyalty was to the president a military takeover would be as easy as the president ordering it.

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Jul 26, 2017 10:35:33   #
BigBear Loc: Northern CT
 
thom w wrote:
You are obviously confused. A soldiers loyalty is to the constitution. That has nothing to do with the President being commander in chief. If the military's loyalty was to the president a military takeover would be as easy as the president ordering it.


Yes, you take an oath to defend the Constitutional values of this country, but it would be difficult for most troops to effectively do your job when you can't respect the CIC. I know a lot of them who left ahead of their plans for that reason.
I am so grateful that I didn't have to serve under Obummer.

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