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New Fuji XT2 - why are my images not as good as those taken with my old Sony RX10?
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Jul 19, 2017 08:50:11   #
cthahn
 
You do not bother to indicate how the pictures were taken. The pictures are different. How well do you understand the basics of photography?

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Jul 19, 2017 08:55:55   #
SonyBug
 
After looking at the Fuji picture downloaded and expanded, it looks like camera movement. That would make it look like color fringing but is due to camera motion. The camera sees the edge of the flower and moves and then sees the green in the same spot.

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Jul 19, 2017 09:16:50   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
IreneAC wrote:
Last week I purchased my first interchangeable-lens camera!
I bought a new Fuji XT2 with a 23mm lens (which got very good reviews). Today I finally went outside and shot several "test" photos and I am not happy with the color-halo and color-bleeding (not sue of correct term) I am seeing in some photos. It seems to happen mostly with the pink flowers against a green or blue background (see attached).

Prior to this I was using a bridge camera (Sony RX10) and never saw this problem. I took photos of the same flowers using my Sony and as you can see, there is no halo or color-bleeding (see attached). And the images are sharper!

I did research into this color-bleeding issue but am not savvy enough to figure out what the problem is: my technique, the camera, the lens, or a combo thereof. Keep in mind my Sony photos of the same flowers turned out fine.

The Sony seems to take much sharper photos overall; I am not very happy with the Fuji IQ.
I know it is a brand new camera and there will be a learning curve, but shouldn't the initial photos be sharp no matter how little I know about the Fuji?
And one of the primary reasons I went to the Fuji was for the larger sensor (for better IQ and better low-light performance).
I wonder if it is due in part to no stabilization in the Fuji body - maybe I should stick to Image Stabilized lenses only.
But then that limits the Fuji lenses available to me...

Please let me know what you think - thanks.

(Yes, I realize the photos were taken from slightly different distances, but does that really matter with regards to the halo-issue?)
Last week I purchased my first interchangeable-len... (show quote)


What I see is camera shake. Here is a detail crop from your photo compared with a detail at the same magnification from my XT-2.. See what you think!





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Jul 19, 2017 09:16:58   #
rjaywallace Loc: Wisconsin
 
I see no camera movement in this shot. Everyone, please keep in mind that the Depth Of Field for Fuji's 23mm lens is VERY slim - a narrow sliver will be captured sharply, but a larger part of the image will be blurred.

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Jul 19, 2017 09:17:24   #
rjaywallace Loc: Wisconsin
 
Dupplicate post

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Jul 19, 2017 09:18:41   #
suntouched Loc: Sierra Vista AZ
 
Don't get discouraged. It takes time to adjust to a new camera. I have the XT-2 and 23 mm f 2 lens and it is a good combination. The 23 mm lens is the one I always grab first for landscapes. All lenses have a "sweet spot" that they perform best at. To reassure yourself, reshoot that flower (with the Fuji) at different apertures starting at f2 up to about f10. All images need to be at the same distance from the flower and at the same approx effective distance as was the RX10. This will give you a much better comparison to work with.

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Jul 19, 2017 09:30:10   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
rjaywallace wrote:
I see no camera movement in this shot. Everyone, please keep in mind that the Depth Of Field for Fuji's 23mm lens is VERY slim - a narrow sliver will be captured sharply, but a larger part of the image will be blurred.

The DOF of a 23mm F2 at 3 feet is 0.41 feet. Not a narrow sliver. It should have the entire flower in good focus! On the other hand, this detail SHOWS unmistakable movement !



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Jul 19, 2017 10:18:27   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
IreneAC wrote:
Last week I purchased my first interchangeable-lens camera!
I bought a new Fuji XT2 with a 23mm lens (which got very good reviews). Today I finally went outside and shot several "test" photos and I am not happy with the color-halo and color-bleeding (not sue of correct term) I am seeing in some photos. It seems to happen mostly with the pink flowers against a green or blue background (see attached).

Prior to this I was using a bridge camera (Sony RX10) and never saw this problem. I took photos of the same flowers using my Sony and as you can see, there is no halo or color-bleeding (see attached). And the images are sharper!

I did research into this color-bleeding issue but am not savvy enough to figure out what the problem is: my technique, the camera, the lens, or a combo thereof. Keep in mind my Sony photos of the same flowers turned out fine.

The Sony seems to take much sharper photos overall; I am not very happy with the Fuji IQ.
I know it is a brand new camera and there will be a learning curve, but shouldn't the initial photos be sharp no matter how little I know about the Fuji?
And one of the primary reasons I went to the Fuji was for the larger sensor (for better IQ and better low-light performance).
I wonder if it is due in part to no stabilization in the Fuji body - maybe I should stick to Image Stabilized lenses only.
But then that limits the Fuji lenses available to me...

Please let me know what you think - thanks.

(Yes, I realize the photos were taken from slightly different distances, but does that really matter with regards to the halo-issue?)
Last week I purchased my first interchangeable-len... (show quote)


Need more information but the key thing I see in the Fuji pic is the aperture must be wide open. Note the the one flower is in focus but everything else is out of focus which means you have a very shallow depth of field.

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Jul 19, 2017 10:19:24   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
leftj wrote:
Need more information but the key thing I see in the Fuji pic is the aperture must be wide open. Note, the one flower is in focus but everything else is out of focus which means you have a very shallow depth of field.

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Jul 19, 2017 10:33:28   #
MtnMan Loc: ID
 
rjaywallace wrote:
I see no camera movement in this shot. Everyone, please keep in mind that the Depth Of Field for Fuji's 23mm lens is VERY slim - a narrow sliver will be captured sharply, but a larger part of the image will be blurred.


Sorry but DOF of a 23 mm lens isn't thin when using a proper f-stop for this type image; i.e. F16. For example focused at 3 ft DOF is 1.5 to 6 ft.

It is camera movement.

If it were focus point or DOF something would be tack sharp. All edges are blurred.

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Jul 19, 2017 11:03:03   #
magpix Loc: St. Michaels, MD
 
rjaywallace wrote:
I see no camera movement in this shot. Everyone, please keep in mind that the Depth Of Field for Fuji's 23mm lens is VERY slim - a narrow sliver will be captured sharply, but a larger part of the image will be blurred.


The DOF of the 23mm (35mm equivalent) is not VERY slim. On the contrary, this medium-wide angle lens provides a deep DOF, as indicated by others here. Camera shake looks like it's the culprit here. I would also suggest using manual focus with focus peaking when shooting flowers up close.

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Jul 19, 2017 11:25:02   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
magpix wrote:
The DOF of the 23mm (35mm equivalent) is not VERY slim. On the contrary, this medium-wide angle lens provides a deep DOF, as indicated by others here. Camera shake looks like it's the culprit here. I would also suggest using manual focus with focus peaking when shooting flowers up close.


Camera shake has a very characteristic appearance - like a double exposure slightly out of register. Its presence is unmistakable in the photo of the pink Calla lily. The 23 mm is not the ideal lens for flower portraits- which need very similar treatment to people portraits. A short tele is a better choice, using a wide aperture for shallow depth of field and a defocussed background, and a fairly fast shutter to eliminate camera shake. Alternatively, a tripod or subdued flash.

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Jul 19, 2017 12:23:50   #
IreneAC Loc: San Diego
 
Hi – I appreciate everyone’s input (well, most everyone’s) to my question. I will try the some of the suggestions made to improve and try not to get discouraged so easily.

FYI: I know I needed to post similar photos to make a real comparison, but I was so disheartened by the initial results that I didn't bother to go back and re-shoot identical photos – my bad.

I think the real issue (for me) is that the Sony RX10’s really great IBIS has spoiled me. With that camera I can take a photo off-balance with the wind blowing and there will be no evidence of camera shake or movement in the photos.
I thought the fast shutter speed used with the Fuji would allow for some movement (there was a slight breeze blowing when the photos were taken), but I guess I was wrong.
Or, as someone suggested, it is a DOF issue and not movement. Regardless, looks like I need a lot more practice with the Fuji. :-)

By the way - the 23mm lens I have is this one: Fujinon XF 23mm (35mm) F/2R WR Lens, Black.
I misread the description as I thought it did have IS, but it doesn’t. The lens got great reviews and Adorama offered $100 off if I purchased with my camera, so I did.


This morning I read that Fuji will be bringing out a new X-body with IBIS, maybe I should wait for that one… I know we can’t post links in this thread so just put https: in front of the forward slashes in the following url and it will take you to the article
//petapixel.com/2017/07/05/fujifilm-bring-body-stabilization-x-series-report-says/

I want to enjoy shooting photos and not have to worry about a little bit of movement be it from the wind or my subject matter or me.

My hats off to those of you who can get those super-sharp photos using cameras/lenses without stabilizers!

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Jul 19, 2017 12:44:15   #
CatMarley Loc: North Carolina
 
IreneAC wrote:
Hi – I appreciate everyone’s input (well, most everyone’s) to my question. I will try the some of the suggestions made to improve and try not to get discouraged so easily.

FYI: I know I needed to post similar photos to make a real comparison, but I was so disheartened by the initial results that I didn't bother to go back and re-shoot identical photos – my bad.

I think the real issue (for me) is that the Sony RX10’s really great IBIS has spoiled me. With that camera I can take a photo off-balance with the wind blowing and there will be no evidence of camera shake or movement in the photos.
I thought the fast shutter speed used with the Fuji would allow for some movement (there was a slight breeze blowing when the photos were taken), but I guess I was wrong.
Or, as someone suggested, it is a DOF issue and not movement. Regardless, looks like I need a lot more practice with the Fuji. :-)

By the way - the 23mm lens I have is this one: Fujinon XF 23mm (35mm) F/2R WR Lens, Black.
I misread the description as I thought it did have IS, but it doesn’t. The lens got great reviews and Adorama offered $100 off if I purchased with my camera, so I did.


This morning I read that Fuji will be bringing out a new X-body with IBIS, maybe I should wait for that one… I know we can’t post links in this thread so just put https: in front of the forward slashes in the following url and it will take you to the article
//petapixel.com/2017/07/05/fujifilm-bring-body-stabilization-x-series-report-says/

I want to enjoy shooting photos and not have to worry about a little bit of movement be it from the wind or my subject matter or me.

My hats off to those of you who can get those super-sharp photos using cameras/lenses without stabilizers!
Hi – I appreciate everyone’s input (well, most eve... (show quote)


You don't need IBIS. You just have to learn how to shoot. A rifle range is a great place to learn. Just a few sessions with a 22 target rifle with iron sights and a decent instructor will have you doing your own Image stabilization! It is all timing and breath control.

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Jul 19, 2017 12:48:15   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
IreneAC wrote:
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This morning I read that Fuji will be bringing out a new X-body with IBIS, maybe I should wait for that one… I know we can’t post links in this thread so just put https: in front of the forward slashes in the following url and it will take you to the article
//petapixel.com/2017/07/05/fujifilm-bring-body-stabilization-x-series-report-says/



Actually, we can post links:
https://petapixel.com/2017/07/05/fujifilm-bring-body-stabilization-x-series-report-says/

If it's anywhere as effective as the Olympus IBIS it will be awesome!

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