Considering upgrading to FF
Jul 6, 2017 13:16:42 #
Hi all,
I have a Canon 60d, and love the camera. It does everything I need, and then some. With that said, I am considering moving up to full frame to improve my low light, high iso picture quality. With my 60d, i can shoot up to iso 800 with virtually 0 noise, but pictures start getting pretty noisy when you bump it much over. I am considering either a 5d mark ii or a 6d (mark i). Will moving to one of these older full frame cameras improve my high iso performance?
Thanks for any input!
I have a Canon 60d, and love the camera. It does everything I need, and then some. With that said, I am considering moving up to full frame to improve my low light, high iso picture quality. With my 60d, i can shoot up to iso 800 with virtually 0 noise, but pictures start getting pretty noisy when you bump it much over. I am considering either a 5d mark ii or a 6d (mark i). Will moving to one of these older full frame cameras improve my high iso performance?
Thanks for any input!
Jul 6, 2017 13:23:31 #
Might be. I have a 5D MIII that is excellent in low light. There are many choices, but some are pocketbook hogs. f/2.8 lenses help.
Mark
Mark
jtram wrote:
Hi all, br br I have a Canon 60d, and love the ca... (show quote)
Jul 6, 2017 13:41:47 #
jtram wrote:
Hi all, br br I have a Canon 60d, and love the ca... (show quote)
The 5DmII would be just over 1 fstop better, and the 6D is about another 1/2 fstop improvement. Either would be quite significant.
Jul 6, 2017 14:49:29 #
Thanks. Im planning on upgrading glass as well, but I'm trying to decide if I will go with ef or ef-s when I do. Thinking that I'll buy ef and watch for a good buy on a used 5dii or 6d
Jul 6, 2017 14:50:18 #
Jul 6, 2017 14:53:30 #
Jul 6, 2017 14:58:16 #
jtram wrote:
Hi all, br br I have a Canon 60d, and love the ca... (show quote)
More than likely you'd do better with the latest model APS-C. Electronics, including sensor technology, continues to improve.
Check out your candidates at DXOMark.
And here:
http://www.brendandaveyphotography.com/more/long-exposure-sensor-testing/
Jul 6, 2017 15:13:39 #
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Loc: Greenfield, In.
jtram wrote:
Hi all, br br I have a Canon 60d, and love the ca... (show quote)
I just upgrade to 5d mark ii. I did not feel that I could afford a new full frame. I have been surprisingly happy so far. I have 60D and a 7D already. I have never felt comfortable with the 60D, the 7d is my favorite for several reasons. I like the control layout and focusing of it. The 5D is similar in the layout and controls. Depends on your use. My macro shots are more detailed and the ISO is better. The best moon shot I have got was the first try with the full frame. I probably would never buy one new but the one I bought had 62,000 shots on it and should be good for at least three times that many. I bought for $675.00 which I consider a decent price, not a bargain.
Jul 6, 2017 17:15:34 #
Yes, you will notice a significant improvement in high ISO noise with a FF, whether a 5D3, 5D4, 6D or 6D2. I moved from a 7D to a 5D3 for this exact reason, and it's good for 1-1/2 to 2 stops improvement. I regularly shoot at ISOs between 6400-12,800 without noticable noise. I might add, consider processing your raw shots with DPP (Canon Digital Photo Professional SW) - it's 1/2 a 1 stop better in terms of high ISO noise reduction than Adobe's ACR (Adobe Camera Raw).
Jul 6, 2017 23:54:08 #
jtram wrote:
Hi all, br br I have a Canon 60d, and love the ca... (show quote)
If you go to DxOmark you can compare the ISO performance of these cameras. The 5D and 6D are fairly close and both seem to have about 1 to 1 & 1/2 stops advantage over the 60D. (60D=813; 5D=1813; 6D=2340)
Jul 7, 2017 06:36:32 #
I bought a 6D refurbished from Canon last year and could not be happier with the results I get, especially in low light. I mostly have the 100-400 lens on the camera and set the shutter speed at 1/500 for hand-holding, and set the aperture, and let the ISO stay in Auto.
This post from the other day shows photos in the shade at the zoo - the ISO on these photos ranged from 5,000 to 12,800. No way could I have taken these with my previous camera, even though it is a great camera for most things.
By the way - except for a little cropping, these photos are straight out of the camera. I almost never need to do any post-processing.
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-470932-1.html
This post from the other day shows photos in the shade at the zoo - the ISO on these photos ranged from 5,000 to 12,800. No way could I have taken these with my previous camera, even though it is a great camera for most things.
By the way - except for a little cropping, these photos are straight out of the camera. I almost never need to do any post-processing.
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-470932-1.html
Jul 7, 2017 06:47:51 #
The 7DmII is beautiful in low light allows for high ISO, but is still cropped. I also have a 5D Fantastic in low light at well. I was up around 3200 in ISO before seeing any grain that was quickly processed away. The 1DX can take up upward of 6400 before seeing anything.
Not sure how to attach images here or I would provide examples. I have all three bodies and love them all. Glass is a factor As well. Also you cannot use your EF-S lenses on a full frame only EF lenses.
Not sure how to attach images here or I would provide examples. I have all three bodies and love them all. Glass is a factor As well. Also you cannot use your EF-S lenses on a full frame only EF lenses.
Jul 7, 2017 06:53:19 #
jtram wrote:
Hi all, br br I have a Canon 60d, and love the ca... (show quote)
Some good comparison sites.
(Reviews) https://www.youtube.com/user/TheCameraStoreTV/videos
http://www.cameradecision.com/
http://cameras.reviewed.com/
http://camerasize.com/
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
http://snapsort.com/compare
http://www.dpreview.com/products/compare/cameras?utm_campaign=internal-link&utm_source=mainmenu&utm_medium=text&ref=mainmenu
Canon ISO noise -
https://www.dpreview.com/news/7168986570/canon-shows-dynamism-eos-80d-breaks-new-ground-for-canon-low-iso-dr
http://dslr-astrophotography.com/iso-values-canon-cameras/
Jul 7, 2017 07:08:05 #
The 6D, as already mentioned, has better low light performance then the 5DII. It is also slightly better then the 5DIII, including it's ability to focus in low light. I sold mine back in January (Had to have a new toy, a 5DIV). The 6D is a very good all-around camera even though it's weak point is it's auto-focus. Only an issue if you tend to use multiple points on moving subjects. You can do sports and wildlife with it, but it is more of a challenge. If low light capability is what you want then it is a hard one to beat for the price. It's good with an f/4. Couple it with a 2.8 or faster lens and it can do outstanding work. With the 6DII just announced there not only should be more 6D's on the market but I would also expect the used price to drop somewhat.
Jul 7, 2017 09:59:47 #
Let me begin by saying that I am a Nikon user. I discuss different topics based solely on my own experience.
You are saying that you are happy with your camera except for the noise performance. Do you use noise reduction software? Software to reduce noise are available and they all do a good job. I use Topaz Denoise.
Up to ISO 800 noise should not be an issue in most cameras and I am sure yours is among them. As the ISO speed is raised then we begin to encounter problems be it a cropped sensor or full frame. Some cameras are better than others and it is said that a full frame camera has better performance than a cropped sensor but the most modern cameras with cropped sensor are doing very well in that respect.
Buying a full frame camera means you have to sell your present one, take a loss and then buy the new camera and lenses that will fit it. I see no reasons to buy a full frame camera and use cropped lenses with it. Keeping your present camera is up to you.
Hope this helps with your decision.
You are saying that you are happy with your camera except for the noise performance. Do you use noise reduction software? Software to reduce noise are available and they all do a good job. I use Topaz Denoise.
Up to ISO 800 noise should not be an issue in most cameras and I am sure yours is among them. As the ISO speed is raised then we begin to encounter problems be it a cropped sensor or full frame. Some cameras are better than others and it is said that a full frame camera has better performance than a cropped sensor but the most modern cameras with cropped sensor are doing very well in that respect.
Buying a full frame camera means you have to sell your present one, take a loss and then buy the new camera and lenses that will fit it. I see no reasons to buy a full frame camera and use cropped lenses with it. Keeping your present camera is up to you.
Hope this helps with your decision.
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