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Rocky Marciano was a Savage......This the Name of the video not my comment.......Graham
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May 24, 2017 19:21:01   #
FrankR Loc: NYC
 
Graham Thirkill wrote:
It must be an American thing, if you can honestly say, that this Marciano guy, only through one foul blow, with hand on heart, you are partly blind too.........It is no good continuing an argument with with blind people......
Have a nice day and enjoy your American type of boxing.
Graham\098/


Thought we were having a conversation not an argument. But as it appears that having a different opinion from Your Lordship makes one blind and argumentative, perhaps it is best to forget it. As for my, "American type of boxing," when your type produces champions in every weight class, produces a Sugar Ray Robinson or Leonard, a Joe Lewis, Marvin Hagler or an Ali, not to mention the only undefeated Heavyweight Champion of the World, please let me know. Enjoy

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May 25, 2017 16:10:36   #
Graham Thirkill Loc: Idylic North Yorkshire, England UK.
 
FrankR wrote:
Thought we were having a conversation not an argument. But as it appears that having a different opinion from Your Lordship makes one blind and argumentative, perhaps it is best to forget it. As for my, "American type of boxing," when your type produces champions in every weight class, produces a Sugar Ray Robinson or Leonard, a Joe Lewis, Marvin Hagler or an Ali, not to mention the only undefeated Heavyweight Champion of the World, please let me know. Enjoy


Try Specsavers they have a special offer on at the moment......you don't have to call me Your Lordship..... Mr Thirkill will suffice.......Tell me about when Henry Cooper flattened Cassius Clay and he was saved by the bell and then mysteriously Cassius Clay's glove magically split. This gave him time to recover, until new gloves were found, the split glove was never explained, do we think it was spit purposely to give Clay time to recover???????????.......YES...of course we do.......everybody did.....

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Just to remind you, as I don'y know if you are old enough to remember this fiasco.......I remember it well....
Round 4 from 'Wikipaedia'
In the fourth round, with blood tricking down his face, Cooper continued with his aggressive tactics and started pursuing Ali who now started "fooling around", moving and throwing only intermittent punches at Cooper. Near the end of the round, Cooper threw three successive jabs as Ali stood against the ropes. Ali retreated further against the ropes when Cooper unleashed a left hook which struck Ali squarely on his jaw, lifting Ali on impact.[12] Two things happened simultaneously at this stage which saved Ali from a possible knockout. First, the round came to an end. Second, the ropes had cushioned Ali's fall. As Cooper later recalled:

The ropes let him down gentle. You went from the top, to the middle, to the bottom rope. Now, if that had been in the middle of the ring, and he'd gone down on his head, that would have shook him up. But unfortunately he was on the ropes. If that had just been off them bloody ropes.[13]

Round 4-Round 5 interval[edit]
Angelo Dundee had escorted Ali to his corner at the end of Round 4. Dundee then waved to referee Tommy Little and showed Little Ali's right glove which had apparently split down a seam revealing horsehair stuffing which could have injured Cooper's eyes. Officials were requested to obtain a new pair of gloves for Ali, and the resulting confusion led to the interval between round 4 and round 5 to be extended by 20 seconds which gave Ali extra time to recover.[12][14]

Cheers and Beers
Graham\098/

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May 25, 2017 17:17:55   #
rlaugh Loc: Michigan & Florida
 
Years later Angelo Dundee admitted to cutting Ali's glove, and also used smelling salts between the 4th and 5th rounds, which was illegal! Cooper was underweight going into the fight, and put lead in his boots for the weigh in!
Ali had predicted winning in the 5th and played around too long, as he did in many of his fights, and was hit with what he said was the hardest punch he had ever been hit with,but true to his prediction, he came out in the 5th and ended it, with a serious cut over Coopers left eye. The second fight ended, I believe in the 6th with a cut over the same eye!

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May 25, 2017 20:15:51   #
Graham Thirkill Loc: Idylic North Yorkshire, England UK.
 
rlaugh wrote:
Years later Angelo Dundee admitted to cutting Ali's glove, and also used smelling salts between the 4th and 5th rounds, which was illegal! Cooper was underweight going into the fight, and put lead in his boots for the weigh in!
Ali had predicted winning in the 5th and played around too long, as he did in many of his fights, and was hit with what he said was the hardest punch he had ever been hit with,but true to his prediction, he came out in the 5th and ended it, with a serious cut over Coopers left eye. The second fight ended, I believe in the 6th with a cut over the same eye!
Years later Angelo Dundee admitted to cutting Ali'... (show quote)


Thanks for that info........I remember Clay saying that Henry Cooper bled so much you could hear him bleed.
I read sometime ago that Clay said he punched and forced his fist downwards to intentionally cause cuts on his opponents. I don't think Cooper ever finished a fight without being cut. He had a twin brother called George also a boxer, but as there was another boxer called George Cooper, he fought under the name of Jim Cooper.
He wasn't as good as Henry the Hammer, as he was nicknamed, because of his famous left hook. He died at the age of 77 and was Knighted.

Cheers & Beers
Graham/098\

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May 25, 2017 20:44:57   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Thanks for posting the video. I hadn't realized just how awesome a knockout puncher Marciano was. Apparently the O.P. can't appreciate a great knockout puncher. Marciano didn't have to take advantage of his opponent. As you'll see throughout the video, as he scored his knockout punch he backed away from his opponent. I only saw one real instance of a second blow after the knockout punch. I attribute this to momentum. Thrikill is again off on another 15 handed horse (i.e. a high horse).

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May 25, 2017 21:43:17   #
rlaugh Loc: Michigan & Florida
 
Carmen Basilio was another fighter who bled a lot also, at the end of his fights you would swear he was the loser, cut and swollen, but he was the winner! I think he held the title in two different weight classes...was also trained by Angelo Dundee! He defeated Sugar Ray Robinson!

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May 27, 2017 10:31:40   #
FrankR Loc: NYC
 
Graham Thirkill wrote:
Try Specsavers they have a special offer on at the moment......you don't have to call me Your Lordship..... Mr Thirkill will suffice.......Tell me about when Henry Cooper flattened Cassius Clay and he was saved by the bell and then mysteriously Cassius Clay's glove magically split. This gave him time to recover, until new gloves were found, the split glove was never explained, do we think it was spit purposely to give Clay time to recover???????????.......YES...of course we do.......everybody did.....

I'm old enough to have seen Sandy Sadler and Willy Pepp fights, was at the Garden when Doug Jones beat Ali (then Clay). But boxing didn't need Jones, it did need Ali. There have been controversial calls in every sport in every age, i.e. Maradonna and the "Hand of God" in the World Cup. That happens and it's part of Sport. That being said, no controversey, there's only one undefeated Heavyweight Champ.

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Just to remind you, as I don'y know if you are old enough to remember this fiasco.......I remember it well....
Round 4 from 'Wikipaedia'
In the fourth round, with blood tricking down his face, Cooper continued with his aggressive tactics and started pursuing Ali who now started "fooling around", moving and throwing only intermittent punches at Cooper. Near the end of the round, Cooper threw three successive jabs as Ali stood against the ropes. Ali retreated further against the ropes when Cooper unleashed a left hook which struck Ali squarely on his jaw, lifting Ali on impact.[12] Two things happened simultaneously at this stage which saved Ali from a possible knockout. First, the round came to an end. Second, the ropes had cushioned Ali's fall. As Cooper later recalled:

The ropes let him down gentle. You went from the top, to the middle, to the bottom rope. Now, if that had been in the middle of the ring, and he'd gone down on his head, that would have shook him up. But unfortunately he was on the ropes. If that had just been off them bloody ropes.[13]

Round 4-Round 5 interval[edit]
Angelo Dundee had escorted Ali to his corner at the end of Round 4. Dundee then waved to referee Tommy Little and showed Little Ali's right glove which had apparently split down a seam revealing horsehair stuffing which could have injured Cooper's eyes. Officials were requested to obtain a new pair of gloves for Ali, and the resulting confusion led to the interval between round 4 and round 5 to be extended by 20 seconds which gave Ali extra time to recover.[12][14]

Cheers and Beers
Graham\098/
Try Specsavers they have a special offer on at the... (show quote)

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May 27, 2017 16:41:11   #
IBM
 
The fix was in all the fights back then , the mob controlled the whole lot of it , weather you like it or not , the thing was get a winner
Build him up , then when he was losing favor , find another one to keep the golden egg rolling , it seems to be dead now who is the
havy weight right now,

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